JoeCamel
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If that's your expectation level you're 100% going to be let down.If a barge exits the lagoon I will celebrate but until then.....
Epcot Forever is the easy answer, but that wouldn't make too much sense seeing as this is a 100th anniversary show. Epcot Forever.... errr... celebrates Epcot specifically.
Josh also made it seem like it was an all new show coming. If it was Epcot Forever, why hide that? Especially since that was an extremely well-received show.
Now could I see Epcot Forever coming back as an interim show again? Absolutely. However, it just doesn't seem like what he was talking about.
I don't doubt that, but it's possible they changed their mind within that time is all i'm saying.Let me put it this way: I heard Harmonious was going away and Epcot Forever was coming back... months ago.
This makes a ton of sense, Forever just needs a bit more polishLet me put it this way: I heard Harmonious was going away and Epcot Forever was coming back... months ago.
imo Epcot Forever already was a pretty good show and I liked it quite a lot for a show that was meant to be temporary. I definitely liked it more than Harmonious and tbh, I thought it was more captivating than IllumiNations, even though I know that'll be a controversial opinion.This makes a ton of sense, Forever just needs a bit more polish
Which I get it was temporary....but it could be a really great show if it wanted to be
Put in drones, fountains, fireworks and a mixture of IP with Epcot history and you would probably have a winner
Blocked and reportedI thought it was more captivating than IllumiNations
I can wait for high tide with my sawsallIf that's your expectation level you're 100% going to be let down.
As we saw in the construction process, these barges are immovable, they are literally built into the lagoon. The amount of time it would take to get rid of them wouldn't be exactly quick and it sounds like they want to almost swap shows overnight, so whatever the next show is will definitely be using the barges for IPs and stuff dealing with the 100th.
Epcot Forever is the easy answer, but that wouldn't make too much sense seeing as this is a 100th anniversary show.
If it is an "Epcot-appropriate show" then i'm much more likely to buy that it'll be a re-worked Epcot Forever. That allows them to at the very least have Figment in the show and a show like that probably is a big merchandise driver with AP Holders specifically as Epcot-specific merchandise is practically like an IP in it's own right and is some of the best selling merch that Disney has.I think there's a distinction between "We're adding this show as part of the 100th Anniversary celebration" and "This show is about the 100th Anniversary."
I simply cannot imagine it's going to be the latter, and from the way people on Magic are talking about this, it sure sounds like people are hearing it's going to be, in some way, an Epcot-appropriate show.
So Epcot Forever with a 40th tag?They should have done a 40th anniversary of EPCOT show using all the original attraction music.
Not that I'm expecting them to spend a lot more money on this but is it possible that they could remove or reduce the size of the barges in the future? Not removing what's already below water just changing what's on top (the black structures) for something new.If that's your expectation level you're 100% going to be let down.
As we saw in the construction process, these barges are immovable, they are literally built into the lagoon. The amount of time it would take to get rid of them wouldn't be exactly quick and it sounds like they want to almost swap shows overnight, so whatever the next show is will definitely be using the barges for IPs and stuff dealing with the 100th.
The funny thing is that Harmonious being as IP infused as it was seems to mainly have been a response to how poorly received Rivers of Light was (which was also an extremely expensive show) and RoL was 100% original. They swung too far in the opposite direction. There needs to be a middle ground where it's IP mixed with original concepts and music.Such an expensive spectacle wasted but at least they saw guest surveys and agreed it needed to be changed.
That and RoL didn't really have a narrative like IllumiNations: RoEThe funny thing is that Harmonious being as IP infused as it was seems to mainly have been a response to how poorly received Rivers of Light was (which was also an extremely expensive show) and RoL was 100% original. They swung too far in the opposite direction. There needs to be a middle ground where it's IP mixed with original concepts and music.
Just going based on reception of RoL is unfortunate because it simply wasn't a good show. I think it killed any chance of future original projects as guest surveys out of that show revealed that guests wanted to see characters they know and love. However feedback from Reflections of Earth had been great for 20 years, so I think Disney probably framed the questions in a way to get the answers that they wanted to hear from guests.
I wonder if they'll learn their lesson from Harmonious or not. I'd say it's probably highly doubtful they learn much of anything.
I have a few spots I enjoy watching it from. It's actually enjoyable if you see it from the right angle. If I cant see it from the angle I want, I don't bother watching it.The reactions I hear for Harmonious are almost fully dependent on where they watch it from. The vantage points around the World Showcase lagoon are NOT equal, especially when it comes to the barges and animation. If those are staying, I don't know how this new show would be more received much better than Harmonious.