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The Future of The Simpsons Ride/Springfield (Orlando)

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Legacy said:
If they’re keeping Simpsons, it makes more sense to shift a Pokemon land to Islands. If the intent is Pokemon is *only* getting a ride and massive store and restaurant (which may be the route Japan is getting stuck with), then it could fit in Lost Continent… or SF.
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LazyBoy07 on WDWMagic is not an insider, but is apparently well in the loop on certain developments. He said in regard to Pokemon replacing Simpsons: "things move around." Sounds like you might be onto something.

My gut sees SF more likely because of the somewhat recent impending rumors of Supercharged going down in conjunction with the new (likely) F&F coaster going up. I just hope they won't lock themselves into the bus ride system. But the want side of me wants to see them tackle LC. You could reskin much of the existing land into something from the Pokemon Universe and it guarantees the IP gets a ground up bespoke dark ride in the PF show building.

If Pokemon goes elsewhere, I am curious to see what route Universal will take when Simpsons does ultimately go either when the possibly extended contract lapses or the ride system gives out.
 
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USF would benefit far more with Pokémon going to Simpsons and the BTTF rumor being true for San Fran. You’d fix so much of the park.
 
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Mike S said:
USF would benefit far more with Pokémon going to Simpsons and the BTTF rumor being true for San Fran. You’d fix so much of the park.
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I don’t disagree. But I cannot fathom someone making the case to the board of universal to spend $800m to lose a proven quarter to quarter highly profitable land for a most likely highly profitable but unproven land.

The fact of the matter is they won't kill an amusement park land as long as it has a dime contract left in it’s pocket and you’re going to have to continue soiling your pants for the last time while attempting to be killed not on a work day.
 
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Mike S said:
USF would benefit far more with Pokémon going to Simpsons and the BTTF rumor being true for San Fran. You’d fix so much of the park.
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I mean… from the fan experience? Sure. However, if the option exists on the table to have both Simpsons and Pokemon (and F&F) in the same park, you ride that train to Moolahtown regardless if it skips Nostalgiaville.
 
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Even if it does end up getting an extension for a few years, I'm still convinced Simpsons is on the way out. The Simpsons has been excluded from the majority of marketing and media for the resort in recent years, despite the fact that Marvel and Toon Lagoon have been featured fairly prominently. It feels like it's slowly being phased out.

I just can't see them making a big investment to keep The Simpsons Ride running at this point. It's aged quite poorly at this point, and it's the weakest link in the park's lineup of simulator rides.
 
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Where did this "actually, the Simpsons contract has been extended" rumor originate?
 
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belloq87 said:
Where did this "actually, the Simpsons contract has been extended" rumor originate?
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So, it’s false.
 
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I honestly think it started here. We were speculating about it before Rix said it and I wonder if we either guessed it, manifested it, or it’s not true but we started the rumor by talking about it.
 
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Alicia said:
I wonder if we either guessed it, manifested it, or it’s not true
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I vote for the third option.
 
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I honestly think it started here. We were speculating about it before Rix said it and I wonder if we either guessed it, manifested it, or it’s not true but we started the rumor by talking about it.
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Yes. For one thing, we've 'speculated' often about this possibility on both the Hollywood Simpsons thread, and this thread, for the past couple
of years. And then the recent discussion started anew with @Disneyhead s comment a few days ago.....Myself, I've always thought Disney would back off since Simpsons doesn't really fit well with their base. I've just looked at the business equation for Disney & Universal, not any specific conjecture from posters here or on Magic.
 
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I believe it's certainly possible that Simpsons sticks around for longer, but I hesitate to be so sure either way. Bigger stuff has changed faster in the past.

There is solid backing for both sides. Disney probably has no great opportunities for the IP at their parks, despite really wanting to capitalize on it. "Current World Events™" and a slowing of travel to UOR generally could lead to a slowdown of construction post-Epic. And despite a slowly dying IP, it still seems to be doing some numbers. I always see people posing with Homer and Bart when they pop out, FF Blvd seems to be doing just fine, and I'm certain they're still selling enough Duff and Lard Lad to keep the lights on.

VS. They have definitely been de-emphasizing Simpsons as an IP connected with Universal. There have been very few new merch or marketing pushes with the characters. Meanwhile Marvel gets a ton of push on both angles, so it's potentially not Disney stopping them. Maybe we're just getting antsy and we'll start seeing those solid signs of movement as we get closer to 2028? We're still a good while away from then anyways, and despite it being speculated for years we didn't have a solid idea on the HRRR redo until less than 9 months ago. We're still very fresh off the heels of Epic and HHN34, and they are already working on a USF project right now. Maybe replacements for HRRR and Supercharged are just the opening moves we see completed by 2028. Just in time to prep USF for a years long closure of a major land?

We'll see what happens. It's a very weird moment for speculation right now.
 
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GA-MBIT said:
I believe it's certainly possible that Simpsons sticks around for longer, but I hesitate to be so sure either way. Bigger stuff has changed faster in the past.

There is solid backing for both sides. Disney probably has no great opportunities for the IP at their parks, despite really wanting to capitalize on it. "Current World Events™" and a slowing of travel to UOR generally could lead to a slowdown of construction post-Epic. And despite a slowly dying IP, it still seems to be doing some numbers. I always see people posing with Homer and Bart when they pop out, FF Blvd seems to be doing just fine, and I'm certain they're still selling enough Duff and Lard Lad to keep the lights on.

VS. They have definitely been de-emphasizing Simpsons as an IP connected with Universal. There have been very few new merch or marketing pushes with the characters. Meanwhile Marvel gets a ton of push on both angles, so it's potentially not Disney stopping them. Maybe we're just getting antsy and we'll start seeing those solid signs of movement as we get closer to 2028? We're still a good while away from then anyways, and despite it being speculated for years we didn't have a solid idea on the HRRR redo until less than 9 months ago. We're still very fresh off the heels of Epic and HHN34, and they are already working on a USF project right now. Maybe replacements for HRRR and Supercharged are just the opening moves we see completed by 2028. Just in time to prep USF for a years long closure of a major land?

We'll see what happens. It's a very weird moment for speculation right now.
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Yes. Plus, even if negotiations are for real, and my 'gues's is they are, nothing is final until papers are signed......Imagine USF if the planned
expansions went through to the building stage. USF would have Ministry of Magic ride or the Potter Broomstick AR ride and Nintendo with Mario Kart/Yoshii, Donkey Kong ......and we'd be singing the praises of what a great, if not the greatest, park USF was......STUFF HAPPENS !!!
 
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Yes. Plus, even if negotiations are for real, and my 'gues's is they are, nothing is final until papers are signed......Imagine USF if the planned
expansions went through to the building stage. USF would have Ministry of Magic ride or the Potter Broomstick AR ride and Nintendo with Mario Kart/Yoshii, Donkey Kong ......and we'd be singing the praises of what a great, if not the greatest, park USF was......STUFF HAPPENS !!!
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Honestly, I'm super glad that didn't happen! Ministry, Broomstick, and Mario Kart are really screen-heavy experiences and would've done nothing but furthered USF's simulator-reliance issue.

Yoshi and DK would be pretty small wins in the face of all of that haha. Those rides do not have the best capacity and are both very short.
 
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This conversation has played out countless times at this point ... but to jump back into position for a moment - HRRR was due for a replacement, but it was hardly the most glaring issue for the park. San Fran and Springfield are huge, sprawling areas that completely effect the feel and experience of USF as a park, and that both feel, to be a bit uncharitable, very dead right now. Moes and the Duff Bar are still solid, and Fast Food Blvd gets business because of it's offerings and location, but generally both lands don't offer a ton, and certainly nothing on the level of Islands, Diagon, or Epic.

HRRR is a thrill coaster outside the walkable bounds of the park. It's very important, it's very visible in the skyline, etc. But it's also just one attraction, and essentially, a 1 to 1 replacement. Mid thrill coaster into a (probably) great thrill coaster. It won't meaningfully change the more fundamental issues with lack of attraction variety, screen tech reliance, and smaller scope theming. Tackling San Fran and/or Springfield could potentially tip the scales on all three significantly.

Personally? While I'd love to see all of these complete teardown / rebuild projects happen asap, I also would be relatively okay with smaller Dreamworksland-style projects to fix a lot of these dead areas. Ghostbusters meet n greet outside the Firehouse in New York; the BTTF Clock Tower retheme of F&F; making the San Fran Jaws theming permanent; giving The Simpsons Ride such much needed TLC; a new show in FFL.

I feel like none of those are huge unattainable goals, and yet, it seems like there is a lack of movement on any of them. Epic needed a lot of their resources, but Epic is here. Maybe we'll see something in time, that would be wonderful. But the line for a little while was "Epic is the priority right now". I am admittedly a little concerned that even after Epic, all the smoke seems to be indicating that USF is still not a priority.
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But improvements have been, and are being made. It might not be what some want but Villain Con, DreamWorks Land, Bourne, and more, smaller touch ups. I think the biggest issue isn't Universal investing, it's that USF was allowed to languish for so long during the dark ages they're finally catching up.
 
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Honestly, I'm super glad that didn't happen! Ministry, Broomstick, and Mario Kart are really screen-heavy experiences and would've done nothing but furthered USF's simulator-reliance issue.

Yoshi and DK would be pretty small wins in the face of all of that haha. Those rides do not have the best capacity and are both very short.
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I would not put Mario Kart in my personal "screen-heavy" category. If you ride without the glasses, as I have, the set design work is really impressive, and there's enough going on even without the AR animation to hold your interest in a dark ride format. And while Donkey Kong and Yoshi may be short and not have great capacity, they're fully physical attractions in a park that needs more of those as additions. So I still think Nintendo would have done enormous good by adding more variety to USF's lineup (which I continue to believe it desperately needs, and will continue to need for some time, potentially).

Ministry or the (hypothetical) broomstick ride would have been entirely superfluous, and it's better they ended up where they did (Epic and hopefully in a drawer collecting dust, respectively).

But tying this back to Springfield, I think what the park is really calling for is a new, major land that nets the park some additional (mostly) physical attractions, as Nintendo would have done. Springfield seems like the only viable location for such a thing at this point.

Which is why I really hope the contract has not been extended.
 
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