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Universal Kids Resort - Frisco, Texas

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Parkscope Joe said:
The fact you called him "Walk Disney" really sums up the whole post. As I said before, this is a cheaper park designed for young families, it's not a full blown theme park. Universal says this, the locals knows, why are fans having such a problem with this?
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“Walk Disney”… …that brings up a good point. The amount of strollers at WDW is insane! You go to Disneyland, not so many. You go to any other international Disney park, and you don’t see any. Perhaps this is a park trying to go back to a world where children are expected to walk everywhere. They get tired/cranky, they go home. This isn’t intended to be an all day all week experience.

Parkscope Joe said:
Then you'd have a significantly more expensive day ticket and at that point folks go "well we'll just go to the regular park then". Sesame starts in the $37 price range, Peppa & Legoland FL start around $30. I worked at Sesame Place, it really is a different scale and scope designed for kids.
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A local town would host a festival twice a year. On certain days, admission was free, and one day in particular, you could purchase an unlimited carnival ride wristband. After COVID, this stopped. Fewer people went, and I even heard people admit that it would be cheaper just going to Six Flags. They were right. The cost of carnival tickets made the few hours of fun just as expensive and we never went back.

TheUniC6 said:
I hope Shrek's presence in this park leads to the IP getting a fully fledged ride at USF, perhaps as a phase 2 of DreamWorks that replaces Springfield.
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Parkscope Joe said:
You are absolutely not allowed to suggest such a thing. Everyone will dogpile on you and argue that it's not a popular enough IP and that it going in Springfield would be the worst thing ever :p
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The current DreamWorks Land is a joke. It looks very temporary. I think with Disney owning Fox, there’s a contractual ending for Springfield. DreamWorks Land can remain open while they replace Springfield with a Frisco clone. Once finished, they can tear up the current/temporary KidZone dreamworks land, and use that as a phase 2, keeping ET and the Animal Actors stage show as part of the new land.

TheGentTrent said:
The Legoland parks are undoubtedly meant for kids. Yet they have enough coasters and indoor attractions to give adults plenty to do in a day as well. It's not like the model doesn't exist for "One Step Above Sesame Place".
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That’s the problem. I didn’t experience anything at Sesame Street or Legoland. I mean, Legoland I eventually road three things and saw one show, but as an adult, that’s disappointing because you paid to be there. I know people who literally live right behind the new Peppa Pig Park, and they don’t take their grand child because they have to pay for admission for all of them, even though the adults are mostly just going to sit there bored, while their kid plays.

TheGentTrent said:
So there is at least hope this park can get some more unique offerings to draw in non-locals.
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They’re hoping to receive a lot of tourism from next years FIFA cup. Although, I just spoke with some people who have concerns that there won’t be as much tourism due to the new cost of expensive travel visas, and fear of arrests and deportations simply because they spoke a different language.

AustinT said:
I gotta say, I really think SpongeBob was the one IP here that young adults are the most connected to and I think them not doing a Krusty Krab or even a simple Sponge dark ride is going to hurt in that area a bit. A sit down or quick service Krusty Krab would undoubtedly print money even if the food is awful. I still fail to understand how SpongeBob is just constantly getting shafted in the theme park department
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I figured the reason they wouldn’t have a Wizarding World was licensing reasons, and budget, but then they announced Bikini Bottom. I knew that this was specifically for young millennials/older gen z to have more of a reason to go, and at the same time, introduce them to an IP they cherished when they were young. Everyone wins.

The Krusty Krab was what adults seemed to desire the most within this land. However, a real Krusty Krab burger has no beef. “Where’s the beef?!?”

Jerroddragon said:
Also...its Texas is there not a burger joint?

The funny thing is as someone who travels to Texas alot...the food should be good. Like I've rarely had bad food in Texas, so hope most the food is leveled up
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And I think that’s going to be a big issue. We already discussed here the legalities involving defaming beef, as well as authentic Texas BBQ, but the only way to have a beef burger would be if they did something truly offensive and had Sandy supply the meat for them. Sandy is pretty offensive IMO. Negative Texas stereotypes with a nails on chalkboard voice.

I just saw Bad Guys 2, another DreamWorks film, where Mr Wolf pretends to be Texan. “My people are not a costume.” But Mr Shark portrays a negative Italian American stereotype too, but it’s so short it’s not a big issue. Mr Wolf’s Texas accent, though twangy, is not as torturing to hear, unlike Sandy’s. Most of the people in Frisco and surrounding areas are either not Texan, or first generation (still children.) They have to make the tough decision on whether to eat a burger at In N Out or Whataburger, and people are watching and judging you the entire time!

TheGentTrent said:
We live in a universe where the most immersive SpongeBob ride is at the tackiest casino in Vegas.
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I can think of another, but I fear political backlash

Jerroddragon said:
Texas is hot and my god, I hope they have shade. Thats also what themeing can help with is having building blocking the sun when your waiting in line and hope this isn't another Epic Universe park design where its mostly flat with not much blocking the sun because....it is not fun to stand in the heat in Texas
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They can only have so many misters and fans, but I remember how dumb Toy Story Land was, with its lack of shade. They literally had a backyard play area where everything was huge. Where did all those giant grass blades go from the Honey I Shrunk the Playground? And when they replaced A Bugs Land, where did all that shading go? The giant clovers and such?

Trollsfest has at least some fake leave awnings. The hotel and surrounding buildings crest afternoon shade, which the park would be at its hottest, as the sun sets on the outside western park. Buildings on the eastern part of the park seem to cast some shading depending on time of day. High noon is where the regular ride line canopies help, and the belief is that you’re supposed to get wet in Minions, as well as all the other splash pads. But most adults don’t want to get wet, and don’t want their children getting wet either, due to issues on the ride home, or blisters, which I guess some people get.

It also gets incredibly cold in Texas too… …and rains. Frisco faces the same snowmageddon, hail and wind storms and tornadoes as everyone else in DFW does. The push for outdoor third spaces, and outdoor shopping centers is a dumb one, but developers don’t know any better. Probably explains why people here with modern stucco houses have mold issues. I asked my folks when I was a kid why they don’t build those, and they told me it was too humid here, which causes mold.

TheCodeMan95 said:
I'm slightly concerned that the general public is going to have incorrect expectations for this, considering that people on this site who basically know everything about it still had the wrong expectations lol
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Well that’s there fault. These are probably the same people who walk into EPCOT wondering where the rides are (since nothing is outdoors) and also wonder where the Harry Potter Land in Magic Kingdom is. I mean, I’m no better. I went to EuroDisney thinking Space Mountain was a simple kiddie coaster, and Indiana Jones Temple of Peril was an indoor Dinosaur/Countdown to Extinction clone.

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Word on the street is the local government wouldn’t allow indoor rides.
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I screen capturesd a Facebook response the Mayor did in regarding this question from when this limitation was first announced. Frisco currently has a mall with a carousel and train, and no one considers those “dark rides.”

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TheCodeMan95 said:
I'm genuinely curious to see how the food looks for this park. That's something that they can easily inject a good bit of theming into.
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Little kids, remember? Theming will be difficult. I imagine a lot of fried chicken tenders and cheese pizza everywhere. Hopefully the chicken nuggets at Jurassic World will be dino shaped. Selling Tex Mex in the Puss in Boots land will be easy, even if I think it’s supposed to be a Spanish village, but even as a young Texan, I hated it. Didn’t like BBQ either. It wasn’t until I was an adult when I finally could appreciate it. Kids are picky eaters, and even now, when asked about spice level, my intolerance is so embarrassing that I tell staff to pretend I’m Canadian and make the spice bland enough that a northerner could tolerate it.
 

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For one wdw trip I literally would only ride things I could see what they did. So lots of IASW and WoM lol
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I am reminded of my daughter when she was two or three. She did not want to ride anything at Six Flags Over Texas. We forced her to get on the simple boring train that runs around the outside perimeter of the park. As we waited for the train to start, she looked to her left where the Texas Giant was and started to freak. She saw people on what resembled to her as a similar train going very slowly until suddenly it races down the very first steep hill with people screaming!!!

She wants off, as there is no lap belt or any kind of restraining device. (Note: she was unaware of a recent death where a lady fell out of her seat when riding that coaster, due to faulty restraints and her concerns about it before the ride starting.) the train ride begins and the conductor begins talking about a different scary coaster, the Titan, which is next to the Texas Giant and has even more people screaming. In her mind, all three rides were one single scary ride, and she wanted off!!!

AvoidTIMtation said:
A lot of adults are having trouble accepting that this park isn't for us LOL Kids can spend hours having fun at a normal playground at any random park in the country. The theming they have is more than enough for the lil' kids age group. It's going to be a home run with my kids for sure
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Anyone remember the Honey I Shrunk The Kids themed playground at MGM Studios? That was super fun and amazing, however, adults didn’t spend that amount of money and travel across the country to waste time at a playground they can’t even play in. It ate up time back when there really wasn’t a whole lot to do at that park, and when there finally was, adults kept complaining it was a “half day park.” because all they seemed to care about was thrill rides, and nothing else.

Thank goodness IoA still has an amazing play area at the Jurassic Park area, because that’s basically Tom Sawyers Island, same with the boneyard at Dinoland USA. Tons of fun, if you’re not an adult worried about time you could have been doing something else.

TheCodeMan95 said:
I am curious why it was dictated that there couldn't be any indoor rides.
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This is where I get confused

Its not suppose to be a "theme park" but also we are working with them to bring in dark rides?

So its ok later if this becomes a park that draws world wide visitors...just as long as its not when it opens?
 
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Jerroddragon said:
This is where I get confused

Its not suppose to be a "theme park" but also we are working with them to bring in dark rides?

So its ok later if this becomes a park that draws world wide visitors...just as long as its not when it opens?
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I think they want to do just enough to not cross the line into "destination resort" territory
 
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Jerroddragon said:
This is where I get confused

Its not suppose to be a "theme park" but also we are working with them to bring in dark rides?

So its ok later if this becomes a park that draws world wide visitors...just as long as its not when it opens?
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I think the mayor just wanted to make voters happy, which ultimately you can’t ever truly do. At some point, someone will have to disagree with you. Voters want lower taxes? So you bring in industry and commerce, so they can offset taxes by paying their share. Voters complain about having such things near their homes, even though such properties were never zoned for residential in the first place. Rezone it for residential, well now they’re complaining about traffic and overcrowding. Bring in businesses, and now you’re not driving several miles to the grocery store, or even farther for work. Complain about potential noise from UKR? The freaking tollway is crazy loud in the middle of the day already. Complain about fears of crime once the park opens? A freaking teenager stabbed another kid to death at a Frisco track meet of all places!… …it became national news… …you just can’t win with people. This is why I will never get into politics. Even if I were to lie, I couldn’t please everyone.
 
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What is happening in here…
 
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I understand that this is supposed to be a kid's park, but I was hoping for a little more than a bunch of themed flat rides and a couple of kiddie coasters. I was hoping to at least see one small-scale dark ride...but hey, I'm not the target demographic. I'm sure it will do well.
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GAcoaster said:
With kids, dark rides are hit or miss. In my experience with my nieces and nephews they're often scared of any ride where they can't see what it does. They LOVE the little spinning flat rides and coasters. That's part of why when you go to Magic Kingdom Dumbo, Alladin, and Star Jets all have ridiculous waits for simple rides.
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I absolutely love dark rides. But it was hard to get my young kids to go on dark rides. Even Storybook Land Canal Boats was a no-go because of the whale, even though that's not characterteristic of the rest of the ride. I think one or two beautiful, fantastical, happy, musical, outdoor themed rides would be great, and appreciated by all ages. And something like Storybook can be done pretty cheaply I would think. It doesn't have to be high-tech and flashy. The European parks provide plenty of examples.

Brian G. said:
But this isn't a theme park, per se. Everyone is making this park something it isn't. They're not trying to make the next big theme park, and the town certainly doesn't want that kind of crowd.
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Brian G. said:
We need to pump the brakes on dictating quality just because there aren't any dark rides or theming isn't Epic-level.

This is why some say people are not understanding the point of this park.
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As I understand it, a point of the park is to on-ramp people to the Universal destinations brand. So I do think there should be a "taste" of Universal's top work to whet the appetite. People are making lots of comparisons to other smaller kid's parks, and if those parks served as advertisements for a multi-theme-park thousands-of-dollars-to-visit resort in another state, would they do the trick? Would people make that leap? Do people want to spend $5,000 to $10,000 for more Sesame Place or Legoland?

I think it would be smart to have a couple of places in the park hit that mark. And they can be directly, incrementally revenue-generating. For example, if there was a dinosaur-theme table-service restaurant like Rainforest Cafe, wouldn't parents flop down that credit card? I think so. If they're in for a penny, they're in for a pound.

In fact, I'm kind of surprised the economic model of the resort doesn't revolve around driving full capacity at three or four 500-seat themed restaurants. Not only is a there a lot of cream off the top there revenue-wise, but if you go in March and eat at the Jurassic restaurant, and there are three others you missed, that could be key to driving additional family resort visits, say in September or December. By tying the themed experience with the big meal, they could gate-keep it (unlike rides) so families have to make multiple resort visits rather than knocking all the offerings out on a single visit.
 
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I absolutely love dark rides. But it was hard to get my young kids to go on dark rides. Even Storybook Land Canal Boats was a no-go because of the whale, even though that's not charcaterteristic of the rest of the ride.
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To be fair, I remember watching Pinocchio when I was four, and the Monstro scene scared the absolute crap out of me, even though there was a good chance that I rode the canal boats when I was 3. My daughter was 5 when she rode it, and even though she probably might’ve seen the movie, it didn’t bother her at all. They allowed her to sit on the very front of the boat.

I saw that movie on VHS on a standard definition television of a common size for the time period. I saw the Little Mermaid on the big screen however when I was 7 and the final Ursula battle scene scared the crap out of me too. When MGM Studios opened, and I saw the stage show, it was a bit disturbing, because they showed the same video, but probably not as disturbing as seeing The Dip and the Steam Roller and the dropped safe and body outline from Roger Rabbit at the park. Watching a cartoon sentient shoe be slowly killed in the dip, and then seeing Doc Brown, I mean, Judge Doom slowly being run over by the steam roller… …well, that’s all kinds of disturbing for a 6-7yo, and now we’re there, in that world, with the props, constantly being reminded of it. I guess we were tougher back then? I mean, I wasn’t the only mother who took their kid out of the live action Lion King right before the stampede scene. Disney is a little sick though, reusing certain soundtrack pieces for Mufasa. Had no investment in a certain character, but as soon as they started play the first few notes from the stampede soundtrack, I was in tears!

Back on topic, we took our daughter to WDW for the first time when she was 2, because she was free. She rode Haunted Mansion for the very first time, and I was worried that we broke her. The look in her eyes… …you’d’ve thought she’d seen a ghost. …because she had. 999 of them. …and one was going to follow us home, or so we were told. We both apologized to her. We didn’t know it was going to bother her that much. …but then she wanted to ride it again. It was her favorite ride. It actually did break her in some way, as that’s when she began talking. She was always a bit quiet, but after that ride, she would not shut up! She’s 13 now, and still won’t stop talking!!!

DrStarlander said:
As I understand it, a point of the park is to on-ramp people to the Universal destinations brand. So I do think there should be a "taste" of Universal's top work to whet the appetite.
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It’s a pretty smart investment actually. They’re playing the long game. Instead of creating a new generation of Disney Adults, there is going to be a generation of Universal Adults. Yes, when these kids grow older, their parents will probably make the pilgrimage to Orlando, going to Universal, as opposed to Disney (unless they have extra time to spend). These children will grow up and want to take their kids, the same way Disney Adults tried to.

DFW already has a Legoland Discovery Center. It’s very successful, as they’ve expanded into it. Since it’s in a mall, there’s a Sea Life and indoor Peppa Pig World of Play. We took our daughter to that Discovery Center when she was three, and once more when she was four for her birthday. Our experience there lead to us going to the real full park in California, as we thought she was too young at the time for Universal, and decided to do the two Disneyland parks for three days, and then drive south for Legoland and Sea World. In 2020, (preclosure) we attempted to visit Legoland in Florida as she was 7 and we were spending three days at Universal. The distance was too much for us, and she was kind of old for it, so we opted to go to animal kingdom and Magic Kingdom instead.

I feel that DisneyQuest was a failed attempt/missed opportunity to have mini proxy parks that fans who couldn’t make a full trip, could at least have a taste of it, and possibly even be more incentivized to go rather than simply bring exposed to it from ABC sitcoms and broadcasted park parades. Legoland’s Discovery Centers clearly helped many parents in deciding to travel there for vacation when they might’ve otherwise not have.

DrStarlander said:
If think it would be smart to have a couple of places in the park hit that mark. And they can be directly, incrementally revenue-generating. For example, if there was a dinosaur-theme table-service restaurant like Rainforest Cafe, wouldn't parents flop down that credit card? I think so. If they're in for a penny, they're in for a pound.
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You mean, like T-Rex at Disney Springs? I always forced my family to eat there! Of course, the experience just kept getting worse over time, so after 2022, no way. Plus, my first job was at Rainforest Cafe, so, there’s a little bit of trauma there already.

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In fact, I'm kind of surprised the economic model of the resort doesn't revolve around driving full capacity at three or four 500-seat themed restaurants. Not only is a there a lot of cream off the top there revenue-wise, but if you go in March and eat at the Jurassic restaurant, and there are three others you missed, that could be key to driving additional family resort visits. By tying the themed experience with the big meal, they could gate-keep it (unlike rides) so families have to make multiple resort visits rather than knocking all the offerings out on a single visit.
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I think the goal is focusing on multiple visits from locals, which means annual passes need to be offered. As mentioned, Texas gets insanely hot, and surprisingly cold, and little kids don’t need to be pushed all day in a stroller. They need DFW residents to visit for a few hours each visit. Everyone outside DFW will naturally want to make it a full day, possibly even weekend holiday, spending their money elsewhere in Frisco.

I mentioned that my in laws live directly behind the new Peppa Pig Land. There’s even a paved walking path they can take straight from their house! …but they won’t even visit, let alone get an annual pass, because other than their grandson, there’s nothing there for the adults to enjoy, other than seeing the kid smile. The hope is that UKR will be like the original Magic Kingdom concept, and the adults can experience everything too, and essentially be kids themselves.
 
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If the original concept art is anything to go by this parks has a lot of places for parents to relax as kids play. Mom and dad comfortable under a cabana like structure with a nice drink and some nibbles as junior is playing on a well themed playground. Then, after a while the family moves on to some rides and the next playground where the ritual repeats. I think that is the best vacation a family with a young child can have.
 
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