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So, first let me say that I think a healthy bit of debate on this issue is warranted, but I also think that maybe some people may be taking things a bit far. Possibly it is still too raw for them, and they need time to regain a more rational thought process. But I did want to respond to somethings....


I have worked for Disney, Universal, Hershey, and Busch Entertainment (when they owned SW/BG), including in corporate positions. Seasonal and Annual passes have ALWAYS been about increasing attendance during slow/shoulder seasons. Disney really no longer has slower/shoulder seasons, which is why they (unsuccessfully) tried to get rid of AP's during the pandemic. UOR is starting to have the same strength of attendance but is not quite there yet. Sea World will most likely never get to that point. SW has the "fun card, pay a day get the year" pass because if you have a park that is open 365, it is better to have a person who paid $0 gate admission buying food than no one. That is true to a point where those $0 guests start affecting staffing levels. That said, it is always better to have a full paying guest than a pass member. The spend per trip/person is significantly much higher. When you enter a Disney park with an AP, Disney actually writes off on their taxes that entry as a loss of revenue.


And for those of us that remember those years, it was miserable. There was a LOT of over service, and there were rowdy drunks EVERYWHERE. The event was more about the alcohol than the scares. If I remember correctly there were three separate beer carts in the queue of Castle Vampyr alone...

Hopefully someone who will be more respectful to others.
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Just because you disagree with someone, that does not make their position irrational or asserted without a clear mind. Me, I'll likely have the same opinion on this matter ten, twenty years from now. I'd say trying to invalidate opposing opinions in such a manner is pretty disrespectful myself, but maybe that's just me.

Spending per person and per visit are two very different things. When you have someone visiting the park 10x or more than another guest, their lower per trip spending is liable to add up. In my experience, the common stereotype that passholders just show up, go on some attractions and go home without making any purchases doesn't hold up to scrutiny at all.

My quoted statement about HHN's alcohol sales of yesteryear was not made out of nostalgia. I was making a point about food & beverage sales not being insignificant.
 
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But again, the biggest issue here was the lack of communication for me. I also think longer term, a “pick your number of days of express” pass is probably in order for out/of-towners staying a while.
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This is what I’m curious about. This feels like the best solution, as it allows Universal to better anticipate Express usage by day. Basically buy an Express pack (Battle pass?) for X days beginning on Y day of your choice addresses almost every problem. It might not solve them, but does address them.

And implementing it actually requires eliminating the multi-night pass with Express option.
 
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This is what I’m curious about. This feels like the best solution, as it allows Universal to better anticipate Express usage by day. Basically buy an Express pack (Battle pass?) for X days beginning on Y day of your choice addresses almost every problem. It might not solve them, but does address them.

And implementing it actually requires eliminating the multi-night pass with Express option.
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Like I mentioned in my last post, giving each multi-night ticket a set amount of express nights to schedule ahead of time could be a very nice change.
 
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This is what I’m curious about. This feels like the best solution, as it allows Universal to better anticipate Express usage by day. Basically buy an Express pack (Battle pass?) for X days beginning on Y day of your choice addresses almost every problem. It might not solve them, but does address them.

And implementing it actually requires eliminating the multi-night pass with Express option.
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Agree with this 100%. I’m one of the “out of towners” who comes for 10 days (5 for HHN) and used FFP+Express. As I’ve said before, I obviously know what days I’m coming and, therefore, using express. And, from a customer service perspective, me paying $1100 for 5 nights with express still makes me very much feel I’m getting a great deal. Heck, even a higher price would.

Each member of my group spends an average of $8k on our visit every year (for 15 years now). Depending on what the packages end up being, this may be greatly reduced if we change up our plans for this year.
 
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Hello everyone! Long time lurker (and I do mean long, years) but I felt the need to finally take the plunge over the FFP issue.

I’m not a local (live in Wisconsin) but a huge theme park and HHN fan. On the theme park front, I’ve generally bought a Universal Orlando, WDW or Disneyland AP every year for over 10 years. That pass would be purchased in late October so as to get 2 Halloween seasons off one pass (and get 2 Halloween trips a year.) On the HHN front, my first year was 25 and (due to 2020 not counting) I haven’t missed a year since. For those 10 years, with the exception of 2019 (only did one night RIP that year) and 2024 (sold out before I purchased) I’ve had an FFP with express.

***The next session is describing why I use it, if that doesn’t interest you skip until the next ***

Why do I need express? Well no one “needs” express but I feel it essential because I’m only here for about a week, and my HHN trips are still Universal trips. I stay onsite (at an Express hotel) and I rope drop early entry at IOA or Volcano Bay every day. I will go back early afternoon, shower and put on my black shirt and head to the studios for stay and scream. I will then try to do my favorite mazes while the lines are short (generally 2 soundstages, and 2-3 tents if able) in that stay and scream/first hour window. After that I generally break from houses to eat and hit Gringots and Transformers this brings us to around 9:00, and this is when, starting in the back I will do my express run through all the houses, and do MIB and the Mummy. If I do the show it will be this time as well. Usually the goal is to be done at midnight, in reality is usually 12:30ish. I can’t physically close HHN and open early entry, and I don’t want to miss multiple runs in houses or early entry. As I’m there for just a week I only get 5 nights for the year, gotta make the most of it.

That said last year was a special case, I was in town for a week and a half because I hit Sea World/Discovery Cove/Aquatica. Because I had FFP I was able to attend 3 additional nights where I didn’t necessarily hit stay and scream but got full runs. While that wasn’t the case this year, I’m sad that will never be possible again. The price was also getting really close to break even on 5 nights, and while I would still get it for a while for convenience (one card) and flexibility (last minute change due to hurricane) at some point I would stop getting it.

How does that affect me this year? Well I will be at Hard Rock Tuesday-Mon in early October for my final Universal trip on my current AP. I also have a free night in Orlando two weeks later when I arrive driving down from Virginia before I start my first trip on my WDW AP. The plan originally was to get an UFF+E and do 4 full nights (Wed-Fri, Sun) with Saturday me doing Epic open-close and then going to HHN and using my express for 1 run through the houses and then on arrival that Sunday two weeks later do something similar. Not doing that now, if I’m paying full price I’m going to fully commit to the event. Will drop the Epic day, and just buy 5 nights of Express and 4 nights of tickets (plus use my free AP night.) That free Sunday I might consider doing HOS at Sea World, or do the smart thing and after driving for 3 straight days to do the Blue Ridge Parkway followed by a weekend of HOS at Busch Gardens Williamsburg and then another full day of driving and rest up before getting Disneyed for a week. It’s probably a wash for me and Universal financially.

***End of long description about my personal circumstances***

I really hope they debut a multi night pass with express for hotel guests who come down for multiple nights. Heck make it only available to resort guests and increase your occupancy. If they do that I might go back to my plan of going to Epic for a night and skipping stay and scream and then coming back for an additional Sunday when I’m back in town, if not I’ll just buy 5 nights of express and 4 nights of single tickets (and use my free night with my AP.).

FFP+E were ridiculously discounted for you locals, I’m not surprised given the event popularity they are gone now, however, I don’t expect them to affect express lines, because they were already limited last year and the lines were still long. I think this is a pure business decision and is born out of the fact that the people who missed out of FFP last year probably spent more on single night express tickets, so the people cheering this decision are probably wrong as well; I suspect you’re cheering on a corporate cash grab.
 
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Jordan said:
Just because you disagree with someone, that does not make their position irrational or asserted without a clear mind. Me, I'll likely have the same opinion on this matter ten, twenty years from now. I'd say trying to invalidate opposing opinions in such a manner is pretty disrespectful myself, but maybe that's just me.

Spending per person and per visit are two very different things. When you have someone visiting the park 10x or more than another guest, their lower per trip spending is liable to add up. In my experience, the common stereotype that passholders just show up, go on some attractions and go home without making any purchases doesn't hold up to scrutiny at all.

My quoted statement about HHN's alcohol sales of yesteryear was not made out of nostalgia. I was making a point about food & beverage sales not being insignificant.
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First Emphasis: I really hope we aren't discussing this in 10-20 years.

Second Emphasis: There are definitely some passholders who show up, go on attractions, and don't spend any money. Maybe not on every trip, but that definitely happens. And then there are some passholders who do show up, go on attractions, buy food/beverages/merch, and go on their way. However, if the average AP is... $500. And the average amount a person spends on a trip (I'm talking a ticket, hotel, Express, merch, food, drinks, etc.) is... $3000, then the average AP has to spend $2500 to equal the value of 1 guest to UO. How often do we think that is happening?
 
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This week has been crazy and I truly have no idea what to expect today. It started off as a SZ week but then Wednesday we got the lagoon show and yesterday we got a street experience.
 
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After reading all the pages of this debate, setting the communication issue aside, which is a genuine complaint, I think what troubles me most about this debate is the overall entitlement of people in this thread. People who want the option for express aren't losing anything at all. You can absolutely have express every night if you want, but you simply have to pay more for it, and that's really what most people are upset about. I would feel more sympathetic to the people complaining if it didn't boil down to, "I am upset that I can no longer experience this event the way I feel I should be able to at a cheaper price." Regardless of the reason whether it's affordability or unwillingness to pay, that is the core argument being made in totality. Even IU's article can be summarized as the same thing (Sorry, Bryan).

That also underscores the hypocrisy of the position. "It's too hard to see the event in a single night, and therefore I need express." That option is still available to you. The price of two nights of express plus a Rush of Fear is still equal to unlimited Rush of Fear, which is all you would need to see the event at a leisurely pace. People just can't skip the lines every night anymore, so they see that as reduced value to them, even if that's more than they really need. I don't consider this a "cheat code" because obviously one should extract maximum value from something, but you also aren't entitled to that thing indefinitely. For all the claims of loyalty (and I've been going to HHN on both coasts as long as anyone here), it's pretty well known that loyal theme park customers don't drive nearly as much revenue as people who come once; they tend to be less profitable, and that's been evident at Disneyland for years. Express is a pure profit driver, and food, beverage, and merch are not. Giving away express for less money has not been in Universal's interest for almost a decade at this point. Even with the absurd margins at HHN, you probably need to spend at least $400 on those things to equal a single Express pass, and I just strongly doubt anyone is spending $400 every night they go, and if you are, you're not the kind of person who's complaining about unlimited express being removed. This is doubly ironic as express unquestionably makes the event worse for everyone overall, and the most passionate and outspoken fans are likely the largest overusers because they are the ones who know about the passes and will wait in line for it.

This is in no way a defense of Universal constantly raising prices. I'm not defending a corporation for trying to maximize profit, but on the other hand, their hands are tied, and I'd be asking the same question of "Why should some people pay less for the same experience?" and I can't blame them for asking that. I personally have my doubts this will even make the lines better because if they were allegedly only selling a few thousand passes anyway, so it's likely pretty irrelevant at the end of the day.

It just staggers me that people are complaining about a premium product inside of a premium product. This is not oxygen; it is an entertainment product, and as such, you must accept the limitations being offered, and if you don't like it, vote with your wallet. Saying, "Universal doesn't want my money!" is simply not the threat that people think it is.
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I agree with your post and for me, it does suck that I have to spend more but I am able and willing to do so to keep the same experience for the 4 nights we go. The one thing I do complain about is what Brian touched on and that is communication. They knew this was coming and should have said so in the beginning so people like myself could go ahead and get the express passes earlier.
 
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Also, your food/merch argument doesn’t check out at all. If I’m about to go wait in a 30+ minute line, you know what I’m going to grab beforehand? A drink. You know when I’m not going to get one? Right before joining an Express queue that might force me to chug.
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I grab a drink before Express, Freestyle cup means no need to chug!
 
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The event just became too popular.
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People can debate in circles for ages but this is pretty much the answer.

I've posted previously that I was a FF+Express only attendee, and I'd always make a point to go to CityWalk to buy my ticket the week before the event. I was FF+Express because that was the ticket that let me and my friend group see the event the way we wanted to. That was to show up somewhere around 7ish, do 4-5 houses, and be gone by 10. It has been since probably the early 2010s that I had even been in the park past 11pm.

The first year they "sold out" of them was the end of my HHN ticket buying. But I don't recall having any indignation, or thinking my bluff was called... they just quit selling the product that I liked. It's like if all I ever owned were new Mustangs and Ford quit making Mustangs, the only reasonable reaction to that is, "well I guess I'm not buying another new Mustang" and move on. I don't have any interest in a daily ticket, or daily + Express, or any of the RIPs, nor would I have any interest in only getting in half as many houses each night on a regular FF pass because I want high-value visits and not have to go like 15 nights a year.

The event evolves, and it has to evolve because it's gotten more popular. Which is a good thing.

The real question is are they also getting rid of unlimited express for executi... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: yeah right
 
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I grab a drink before Express, Freestyle cup means no need to chug!
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Unless you want alcohol. Can’t get that in a freestyle so with those it’s chugging time!
 
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People can debate in circles for ages but this is pretty much the answer.

I've posted previously that I was a FF+Express only attendee, and I'd always make a point to go to CityWalk to buy my ticket the week before the event. I was FF+Express because that was the ticket that let me and my friend group see the event the way we wanted to. That was to show up somewhere around 7ish, do 4-5 houses, and be gone by 10. It has been since probably the early 2010s that I had even been in the park past 11pm.

The first year they "sold out" of them was the end of my HHN ticket buying. But I don't recall having any indignation, or thinking my bluff was called... they just quit selling the product that I liked. It's like if all I ever owned were new Mustangs and Ford quit making Mustangs, the only reasonable reaction to that is, "well I guess I'm not buying another new Mustang" and move on. I don't have any interest in a daily ticket, or daily + Express, or any of the RIPs, nor would I have any interest in only getting in half as many houses each night on a regular FF pass because I want high-value visits and not have to go like 15 nights a year.

The event evolves, and it has to evolve because it's gotten more popular. Which is a good thing.

The real question is are they also getting rid of unlimited express for executi... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: yeah right
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Just like with Summer Concerts, old ticket deals, happy hour pricing in the parks, and countless other things. It’s the monkey paw curl: we love these parks and proselytize them which then brings more people and fills the space. First HHN weekend for me was with five people. Now it’s those five plus a new half dozen who’ve heard me talk about it and now come. Hell we have a new guy joining us this year! Do I want summer concerts back? Yeah! I also know why they don’t have them anymore: universal became popular.
 
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In the scare zone in 2018, I saw a few of the actors doing this while the song played. Using their giant bats as guitars/microphones, etc.

So it's possible!
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Ok. All those in favor of someone recording me rocking out in shades say “Aye”! :nervous:
 
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However, if the average AP is... $500. And the average amount a person spends on a trip (I'm talking a ticket, hotel, Express, merch, food, drinks, etc.) is... $3000, then the average AP has to spend $2500 to equal the value of 1 guest to UO. How often do we think that is happening?
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Yes - I mentioned it a few pages back, but another user said that the vast majority of HHN visitors are not spending thousands of dollars, which just simply isn't true.
 
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Just like with Summer Concerts, old ticket deals, happy hour pricing in the parks, and countless other things. It’s the monkey paw curl: we love these parks and proselytize them which then brings more people and fills the space. First HHN weekend for me was with five people. Now it’s those five plus a new half dozen who’ve heard me talk about it and now come. Hell we have a new guy joining us this year! Do I want summer concerts back? Yeah! I also know why they don’t have them anymore: universal became popular.
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Exactly. A great change to have compared to 20 years ago. The parks, these events, are a completely different ballgame today. Some of that is the word of mouth from people who are die-hards (obviously nobody here). Some of that is bringing in people who first came for Harry Potter and learned about HHN and were interested. Some of that is more and more people moving to Orlando.

Unfortunately, capital development to expand the parks is expensive and you're not really changing the overall structure/footprint at these parks because of what's around them.

I do wonder how long before they start discussing more seriously about expanding this to USF/IOA again.
 
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Exactly. A great change to have compared to 20 years ago. The parks, these events, are a completely different ballgame today. Some of that is the word of mouth from people who are die-hards (obviously nobody here). Some of that is bringing in people who first came for Harry Potter and learned about HHN and were interested. Some of that is more and more people moving to Orlando.

Unfortunately, capital development to expand the parks is expensive and you're not really changing the overall structure/footprint at these parks because of what's around them.

I do wonder how long before they start discussing more seriously about expanding this to USF/IOA again.
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I know that the "total footprint" would span a lot of walking. But the soundstage queue area they introduced last year is practically in IOA as-is.
 
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All the talk about the tickets has made us ignore that nothing was announced this morning. Maybe something at noon with Hollywood?

What a weird week lol
 
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All the talk about the tickets has made us ignore that nothing was announced this morning. Maybe something at noon with Hollywood?

What a weird week lol
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Weird week indeed. And I think so but I went to Murdy’s tweet to see if he posted his thing and he has not. So idk.
 
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All the talk about the tickets has made us ignore that nothing was announced this morning. Maybe something at noon with Hollywood?

What a weird week lol
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I was just joking with a friend that while we are all here debating tickets, they went on sale this morning and already sold out. ;)
 
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I know that the "total footprint" would span a lot of walking. But the soundstage queue area they introduced last year is practically in IOA as-is.
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I don’t think they would ever go back to IOA again, what’s to be gained by doing that? The extra indoor space at MSI? The event is too large to have in queue mazes at Popeye and Hagrids, Veliciocoaster takes up another former maze site. I think any expansion will be in the studios (Villain Con, more tents, maybe another soundstage)
 
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