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I definitely miss the front lagoon area being quiet and serene loland my serene nap time on the wall in front of the Discovery Center, looking at the lagoon.....
I definitely miss the front lagoon area being quiet and serene loland my serene nap time on the wall in front of the Discovery Center, looking at the lagoon.....
The MK Project will be adding somewhere between 6,000+ of hourly capacity, currently TSI/Liberty Belle are about ~1.7K hourly capacity (and barely using it's full potential) and operating short hours.I think the Velocicoaster comparisons make sense - but it'll definitely be a bit different considering MK is technically replacing 2 "attractions."
VC literally just took over abandoned backstage areas.
Yes. Kind of reminds me of the huge capacity boost when Diagon/Gringotts/He replaced Jaws or Pandora replaced the Donalds family M&G (Lion King show moved to a new location and a better venue).The MK Project will be adding somewhere between 6,000+ of hourly capacity, currently TSI/Liberty Belle are about ~1.7K hourly capacity (and barely using it's full potential) and operating short hours.
Current:
Tom Sawyers Island - ~600-800 an hour (opens at 11/12AM, operates to dusk)
Liberty Belle - 900 an hour (opens at 10/11, operates to dusk)
Rough Capacity Estimate:
Cars E-ticket Ride - 1,440 (Test Track's theoretical capacity)
Cars Flat Ride - 720 (Alien Swirling Saucers theoretical capacity -> I believe this will be a version of DisneySea's Aquatopia but w/ Cars)
Villains E-ticket Dark Ride - 1,800-2,000 (Average Modern Disney Dark Ride theoretical capacity)
Villains E-ticket Coaster - 2,000-2,200 (Cosmic Rewind/Everest's theoretical capacity)
I'm not defending the aesthetic choice to remove the waterfront from Liberty Square/Frontierland (I think it's a horrible choice), but not opposed to the removal of TSI and the rest of the Rivers of America.
Why do we say things like "well I don't like it so no one should like it"?
My family doesn't go to a theme park for the serene views, or relaxing atmosphere, we can do that at home. We come for entertainment opportunities and experiences offered nowhere else. ROA and the steam boat are fine, but they don't connect with younger consumers, or even me, a 36-M.
Nostalgia by definition, conjures emotions and memories of times past, if the kids aren't connecting with an area today, there will be no nostalgia to tap tomorrow. Times change and the Riverboat and ROA do nothing for the 3 youngest generations.
Take on top of that raw revenue streams, which I'm sure the bean counters are looking at, and its a no brainer. Acres of space which generate little to no revenue, vs a 20 year old IP which still sells vast quantities of merch and has new material coming online every couple years.
I don't think you understand how popular Cars still is. Walk down toy aisles and you will see it very much in the cars section of toys and elsewhere. It will absolutely make a splashI'm glad they aren't getting lazy and just cloning RSR and the idea of having your RVs going over varied terrain that looks far steeper that RSR looks pretty neat to me.
However, Cars kinda feels like a franchise that while may not be dead, doesn't really make a splash nowadays. If I was running things at the Disney Parks it would not be an IP high up on the list to add attractions for.
But is TSI designed for kids? I mean it is fairly boring and needs to be updated if it was kept, not to mention the low capacity way to get there even if it was more popular a ton wouldn't be able to experience it. Now that same audience (kids) will be able to experience this land which will be a HUGE improvement.Just want to push back on this specific talking point I've seen pop around (not to pick on your Nick, sorry). "I haven't been to/seen it in a long time so it's ok to go" is just not a good excuse to get rid of something, especially one designed for kids. I haven't been to Cinderella's Royal Table or Disney Jr Live in a long time, doesn't mean I want them gone nor should they be removed! "TSI only was accessed by another ride with low capacity" and some other points I get.
Do you have kids or really know kids? Because this statement is opposite of what I see. Kids LOVE nature, playgrounds, sports, etc. They love to get out and move and bike in their neighborhood. I think people who are not around kids a lot have this teenage kid in their phone mentality about kids. But what they don't see is everything kids do. You want know what my kids beg me to go to every year? Gatlinburg. Why? They absolutely love hiking into nature, snowtubing, etc. We gave them the option of Hawaii, CA (Disney and Universal included in this trip) and Alaska. They picked Alaska. Because it was full of nature, animals, hiking, etc. My 13 year old LOVES nature and animals. She was very much on board with Alaska and everything it has to offer.Kids today are different. They don't really do much physical play and especially outdoors. They don't really know how to appreciate the outdoors and nature and the age that starts to happen is getting younger and younger. Which also brings me to another point, always ALWAYS leave guest feedback. No matter how insignificant you feel it is, still, let them know.
1/4 of the park? Literally two attractions will be boarded up that barely anyone went to. I don't think this is boarding up 1/4 of the park.Also have fun paying almost $200 (If not more!) plus Lightning Lane only to see 1/4 of the park boarded up with construction walls.
If TSI was more like Camp Jurassic, I might have wanted to keep it. But it has become very boring.Catching up because I haven't been able to sit as much with back issues.
I don't think you understand how popular Cars still is. Walk down toy aisles and you will see it very much in the cars section of toys and elsewhere. It will absolutely make a splash
But is TSI designed for kids? I mean it is fairly boring and needs to be updated if it was kept, not to mention the low capacity way to get there even if it was more popular a ton wouldn't be able to experience it. Now that same audience (kids) will be able to experience this land which will be a HUGE improvement.
Do you have kids or really know kids? Because this statement is opposite of what I see. Kids LOVE nature, playgrounds, sports, etc. They love to get out and move and bike in their neighborhood. I think people who are not around kids a lot have this teenage kid in their phone mentality about kids. But what they don't see is everything kids do. You want know what my kids beg me to go to every year? Gatlinburg. Why? They absolutely love hiking into nature, snowtubing, etc. We gave them the option of Hawaii, CA (Disney and Universal included in this trip) and Alaska. They picked Alaska. Because it was full of nature, animals, hiking, etc. My 13 year old LOVES nature and animals. She was very much on board with Alaska and everything it has to offer.
The bottom line is TSI was old, dated, and didn't offer the right kind of adventure along with the low capacity means to get to it with limited hours. Not that kids don't like nature or outdoors.
1/4 of the park? Literally two attractions will be boarded up that barely anyone went to. I don't think this is boarding up 1/4 of the park.
Shut up and take my money.Move the Liberty Belle to Port Orleans Resort and turn it into a Bar/Live Music Stage. And fill cartoon cars land with TONS of rock work and water features and everything will be fine.
Yeah, it’s the only thing I’ve been able to see since the art dropped.Oh, and Piston Peak looks like Baby Groot Mountain to me.
Not many dinos in the actual playground. None of my kids have been Dino obsessed, my son has liked them but other things were always more of his favorite. But all 3 of my kids enjoy that area even my 13 year old daughter.The dinosaurs do help lol.
sooo true. Myself, I quit driving inside the WDW bubble. It's gotten too much like a big city express way....I'm a bus guy now (or skyway sometimes). They're fairly quick, and I can drink without worrying.Ehhhhhh maybe maybe not.