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Epic Universe Expansion Speculation

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Dark Universe needs to be the first land to expand.

I think a well-themed dark ride, with no technological tricks, is needed so provide a more family-friendly experience
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Monsters Unchained is the well-themed dark ride. Family-friendly low tech experience already exists with Yoshi in Nintendo. No need to neuter a land to appease the children.

Dark Universe just needs a show & it's CFTBL ride to round out the experience. If anything, I'd include a well themed flat ride.
 
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Monsters Unchained is the well-themed dark ride. Family-friendly low tech experience already exists with Yoshi in Nintendo. No need to neuter a land to appease the children.

Dark Universe just needs a show & it's CFTBL ride to round out the experience. If anything, I'd include a well themed flat ride.
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There's only space for 1 major dark ride unless they do some creative multi-level offering to fit a flat or something else.
 
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If anything, I'd include a well themed flat ride.
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Can they really theme a flat ride in a way that doesn't degrade the thematic immersion of the land? I mean, it's a village and a mansion, and a windmill...mostly. If you ignore the netted coaster track, It's amazing placemaking, not much to remind you that "you are just in a theme park" rather than a real-world place, so to speak. But a flat ride, even a themed one, will take it all down a notch, right?

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There's only space for 1 major dark ride unless they do some creative multi-level offering to fit a flat or something else.
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I do believe they should "go vertical" in the remaining space they have, as they simply don't have enough acreage to exploit the Monsters theme to the level of (likely) demand. A two-level show building (say 100 feet tall) could be concealed behind a dramatic rockwork cliff (Cars Land cliffs at DCA are about 125 tall)...a great backdrop to the land/mansion.

The ground level would have a Blue Bayou style indoor always-night "black lagoon" with scientist camp and boat dock (restaurant, bar, lots of storytelling props and maybe actors, like Adventurer's Club). You'd see ride vehicle boats heading off ominously into the swamp. The attraction could be all overhead on a second floor (boats go up an elevator lift disguised themed as a hurricane storm).

Or, if the second floor isn't needed for the boat attraction, put an indoor in-the-dark suspended coaster up there themed after Dracula...kind of an answer to Disney's Monster's Inc. coaster. It would not have huge hills and valleys but be more swooping/flying like Hiccups so it wouldn't need as much height.
 
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UniversalRBLX said:
Dark Universe needs to be the first land to expand.

At the moment, it's the smallest land physically AND lowest amount of offerings/experiences.

I think a well-themed dark ride, with no technological tricks, is needed to provide a more family-friendly experience (family friendly in height requirement/intensity, not storyline necessarily).
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Yep that boat ride is my most anticipated expansion project.

I wish it opened with the park but I understand they wanted to make sure the tech was good.
 
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The funny thing is, if and when they add a third attraction to the back of Dark Universe it will not expand the land in any way. The walkway already loops around where the entrance to a new ride would go, so you're not adding more village or anything, just a new ride entry/exit off the path.
 
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Can they really theme a flat ride in a way that doesn't degrade the thematic immersion of the land? I mean, it's a village and a mansion, and a windmill...mostly. If you ignore the netted coaster track, But a flat ride, even a themed one, will take it all down a notch, right?
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It's that limited thinking that results in unnecessary restrictions of creativity. At the end of the day, it's still a theme park. Having a themed ride isn't going to downgrade the overall experience...

An unthemed bathroom or shop/food location however, would stand out way more than any themed flat ride.

Besides, they're not adding one, I just merely suggested it could use one as an addition. They are a vital middle-ground balance for guest experience.
 
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The funny thing is, if and when they add a third attraction to the back of Dark Universe it will not expand the land in any way. The walkway already loops around where the entrance to a new ride would go, so you're not adding more village or anything, just a new ride entry/exit off the path.
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Yes, this is very true if they use the space in a straightforward queue/attraction way. I am hoping if they go multi-level on the space they have, they could do some placemaking on the ground-floor so it's not all used as queue/attraction. So the back lagoon area I described would have a Blue Bayou style restaurant, boat dock bar, retail, etc. to create more space to be and explore like Darkmoor is. I'm thinking something a little like the indoor Mermaid Lagoon land/area at Tokyo DisneySea.
 
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DrStarlander said:
Can they really theme a flat ride in a way that doesn't degrade the thematic immersion of the land? I mean, it's a village and a mansion, and a windmill...mostly. If you ignore the netted coaster track, It's amazing placemaking, not much to remind you that "you are just in a theme park" rather than a real-world place, so to speak. But a flat ride, even a themed one, will take it all down a notch, right?


I do believe they should "go vertical" in the remaining space they have, as they simply don't have enough acreage to exploit the Monsters theme to the level of (likely) demand. A two-level show building (say 100 feet tall) could be concealed behind a dramatic rockwork cliff (Cars Land cliffs at DCA are about 125 tall)...a great backdrop to the land/mansion.

The ground level would have a Blue Bayou style indoor always-night "black lagoon" with scientist camp and boat dock (restaurant, bar, lots of storytelling props and maybe actors, like Adventurer's Club). You'd see ride vehicle boats heading off ominously into the swamp. The attraction could be all overhead on a second floor (boats go up an elevator lift disguised themed as a hurricane storm).

Or, if the second floor isn't needed for the boat attraction, put an indoor in-the-dark suspended coaster up there themed after Dracula...kind of an answer to Disney's Monster's Inc. coaster. It would not have huge hills and valleys but be more swooping/flying like Hiccups so it wouldn't need as much height.
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Beat me to it, but a cliff face hiding the building or something like Taron at Phantasialand could work.

Alicia said:
The funny thing is, if and when they add a third attraction to the back of Dark Universe it will not expand the land in any way. The walkway already loops around where the entrance to a new ride would go, so you're not adding more village or anything, just a new ride entry/exit off the path.
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My hope is that once initial popularity dies down for Epic and Unchained is reliable, they can "chop off" some of the extended queue for Unchained and combine it with the expansion pad for an entirely indoor expansion. A small indoor land, ala Knockturn, with access to whatever dark ride concept they want.
 
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This is what I'd want for the Black Lagoon "area" ... not including the attraction itself:
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This is what I'd want for the Black Lagoon "area" ... not including the attraction itself:
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Realistically I think we’d only get the 3 in the middle.
 
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Are there any other Monsters that could reasonably pop up in a Creature ride?

Obviously Gil would be the star, but given the greatest hits vibe of Monsters Unchained I wonder if they’d pair him up with anybody or keep him a solo act.
 
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This is what I'd want for the Black Lagoon "area" ... not including the attraction itself:
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How do we get you in the door at Universal Creative? ;)

I like the idea of the Creature expansion being almost pavilion-like; you enter through some kind of cave facade, and emerge into a central "lush tropical jungle at night" space, from which you can access the attraction and themed food/beverage.

A Trader Sam's/Jungle Cruise-style bar on the banks of the faux Black Lagoon at night? Would print money for Universal.

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Are there any other Monsters that could reasonably pop up in a Creature ride?

Obviously Gil would be the star, but given the greatest hits vibe of Monsters Unchained I wonder if they’d pair him up with anybody or keep him a solo act.
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While not traditionally part of the Classic Monsters pantheon, the Mole People are a similar "ancient undiscovered species" sort of thing as the Gill Man, and the movie came from Universal at the same time as the CREATURE trilogy. They could be an option for additional monsters in the ride, and I believe the land already has a couple Easter eggs referencing them.
 
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UniversalRBLX said:
I think a well-themed dark ride, with no technological tricks, is needed to provide a more family-friendly experience (family friendly in height requirement/intensity, not storyline necessarily).
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Flat-ride called the Monster Mash with Igor having a hell of a time after Unchained popped off. lol

DrStarlander said:
I do believe they should "go vertical" in the remaining space they have, as they simply don't have enough acreage to exploit the Monsters theme to the level of (likely) demand. A two-level show building (say 100 feet tall) could be concealed behind a dramatic rockwork cliff (Cars Land cliffs at DCA are about 125 tall)...a great backdrop to the land/mansion.

The ground level would have a Blue Bayou style indoor always-night "black lagoon" with scientist camp and boat dock (restaurant, bar, lots of storytelling props and maybe actors, like Adventurer's Club). You'd see ride vehicle boats heading off ominously into the swamp. The attraction could be all overhead on a second floor (boats go up an elevator lift disguised themed as a hurricane storm).

Or, if the second floor isn't needed for the boat attraction, put an indoor in-the-dark suspended coaster up there themed after Dracula...kind of an answer to Disney's Monster's Inc. coaster. It would not have huge hills and valleys but be more swooping/flying like Hiccups so it wouldn't need as much height.
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I agree with a lot of what you've said here, but i would outright nix the restaurant idea and throw the space needed for that back into the ride or an indoor explorable section of a swamp/catacombs idea that maybe leads to another dedicated meet n greet. This park has SO MANY food options and there are already 2 in dark universe and they only have 2 rides. We don't need 3 rides and 3 restaurants. Give me 3 rides, keep the 2 eats, and add a cool walkable area a la Camp Jurassic's Amber Mines but better/spookier.

Jones14 said:
Are there any other Monsters that could reasonably pop up in a Creature ride?

Obviously Gil would be the star, but given the greatest hits vibe of Monsters Unchained I wonder if they’d pair him up with anybody or keep him a solo act.
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I have also thought of this, and i'm trying to think of other creatures in the catalog that haven't gotten spotlighted in any other attraction. Wolfman fits the most, but we have a Werewolf coaster, so I don't think we necessarily need MORE Wolf. Mummy already has a ride, let's not overdo it. And Frankenstein and Dracula take center for Unchained.
I'm all for Mole People(rumored for a revamp since 2023)
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And/or the Metaluna Mutant(just make their own cool 50s style short grey alien) to bring in all the weird other aspects of the sci-fi creature-feature feels.
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I like the idea of the Creature expansion being almost pavilion-like; you enter through some kind of cave facade, and emerge into a central "lush tropical jungle at night" space, from which you can access the attraction and themed food/beverage.
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This is a great way to describe it. I think because the biome/setting of CFTBL (the Amazon) is different from the Euro-ish setting of Darkmoor/the rest of DU, it would be a little awkward to walk into a CFTBL attraction right near Monsters Unchained, etc.. I think in a similar way to Donkey Kong Country, the CFTBL needs it's own mini-land, or "pavilion" as you put it, so you can get immersed in that story/vibe.

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I agree with a lot of what you've said here, but i would outright nix the restaurant idea and throw the space needed for that back into the ride or an indoor explorable section of a swamp/catacombs idea that maybe leads to another dedicated meet n greet. This park has SO MANY food options and there are already 2 in dark universe and they only have 2 rides. We don't need 3 rides and 3 restaurants. Give me 3 rides, keep the 2 eats, and add a cool walkable area a la Camp Jurassic's Amber Mines but better/spookier.
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Yeah, I don't know if there are already too many restaurants, or how busy they will be, etc. But I would definitely like to have a tropical drink on a dock in a fake-night lagoon listening to some grizzled boat captain telling tales of the creatures he's encountered deep in the lagoon! The food is less necessary to me.
 
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This is a great way to describe it. I think because the biome/setting of CFTBL (the Amazon) is different from the Euro-ish setting of Darkmoor/the rest of DU, it would be a little awkward to walk into a CFTBL attraction right near Monsters Unchained, etc.. I think in a similar way to Donkey Kong Country, the CFTBL needs it's own mini-land, or "pavilion" as you put it, so you can get immersed in that story/vibe.
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Yeah, I think we only need point to the Donkey Kong area if somebody raises any questions about why there might be an Amazon/jungle area adjacent to a European area.

A cave transition into an "indoor for outdoor" showbuilding would be all that's needed to sell it.

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I agree with a lot of what you've said here, but i would outright nix the restaurant idea and throw the space needed for that back into the ride or an indoor explorable section of a swamp/catacombs idea that maybe leads to another dedicated meet n greet. This park has SO MANY food options and there are already 2 in dark universe and they only have 2 rides. We don't need 3 rides and 3 restaurants. Give me 3 rides, keep the 2 eats, and add a cool walkable area a la Camp Jurassic's Amber Mines but better/spookier.
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DrStarlander said:
Yeah, I don't know if there are already too many restaurants, or how busy they will be, etc. But I would definitely like to have a tropical drink on a dock in a fake-night lagoon listening to some grizzled boat captain telling tales of the creatures he's encountered deep in the lagoon! The food is less necessary to me.
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I would go with just a bar (with maybe a few cursory food items).

And I haven't seen the interiors of CelesTiki, but I would take care to make sure there's little overlap in influence. Probably make this hypothetical Creature bar more rustic in feel.
 
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And I haven't seen the interiors of CelesTiki, but I would take care to make sure there's little overlap in influence. Probably make this hypothetical Creature bar more rustic in feel.
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From the name and signage, I'm assuming CelesTiki is South Pacific Island "themed" so a Black Lagoon Bar/Cantina, which would be in the Amazon, could have a Latin American theme in terms of drink themes and nosh cuisine, offering distinction.
 
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Just for visual reference as to how Epic Universe could fill out over time.
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Purple is actual, yellow is blue sky.
 
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Just for visual reference as to how Epic Universe could fill out over time.
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Purple is actual, yellow is blue sky.
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Without necessarily commenting on the IP selection, I do think that trying to get two lands (eventually) in between Ministry and Stardust Racers is probably the right call. It's too huge a plot to devote to a single area.
 
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No shot Wizarding World gets no expansion…
 
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By the way, for anyone wanting to watch Creature From the Black Lagoon or The Mole People, I'm not sure where they are otherwise online, but you can watch them (and many other things) free at Archive.org (Internet Archive).
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