belloq87
Platinum Member
I could have warned them well in advance, but they didn't take my calls!It's not like they created Fallon and F&F and expected the reaction it got.
I could have warned them well in advance, but they didn't take my calls!It's not like they created Fallon and F&F and expected the reaction it got.
I completely get the argument against a new park and actually agree to an extent, but this is vital in understanding the opportunities it actually presents. Apart from SNW in KidZone, the only attractions that would have been considered for the current parks are Monsters Unchained, Ministry of Magic, and the Dragon show. Without Epic, you WOULDN’T be getting Darkmoor, the Werewolf coaster or the Creature boat, Circus Arcana, every ride in Berk AND every ride in Celestial Gardens. The new park gives us way more than would be possible otherwise.This. The addition of Epic doesn't mean the other isn't happening. It's just not happening now.
And what's going into Epic, as it's presented now, wouldn't go into any of the current parks (outside of SNW). The size and scope wouldn't be the same simply because of the lack of size.
I'm glad we're getting Epic Universe, but I think it's perfectly valid to prefer IOA and USF (especially USF...) were made as good and fleshed-out as they could possibly be before entertaining the idea of another gate. I'm sympathetic to that idea, as the board's resident "Nintendo should have still gone into KidZone" advocate.
There are some people out there who argue that Disney-MGM Studios and (especially) Animal Kingdom should not have been built when they were (if at all); I think that's a crazy position, and I would not want to lose either of those parks, but I understand the theoretical logic that their expense prevented some of the existing parks from reaching more full maturation.
Counterpoint: those are the attractions I'm most interested in anyway!I completely get the argument against a new park and actually agree to an extent, but this is vital in understanding the opportunities it actually presents. Apart from SNW in KidZone, the only attractions that would have been considered for the current parks are Monsters Unchained, Ministry of Magic, and the Dragon show.
Joke taken, but the park would have also received an outdoor omnimover-type and an elaborately-themed family coaster. Plus Mario Kart. All at once.If Nintendo went to KZ, there'd be no potential for a major dark ride with practical effects there.
Id still add that those attractions would arrive in a much different form. (And I actually don’t think Ministry could’ve fit as it’s presented. Those buildings are BIG.Counterpoint: those are the attractions I'm most interested in anyway!
(Again, I'm glad Epic is happening.)
Joke taken, but the park would have also received an outdoor omnimover-type and an elaborately-themed family coaster. Plus Mario Kart. All at once.
As far as I know the version of the Ministry being designed for Fear Factor plot would not have the floo entry hall or massive atrium. Instead the atrium would’ve been represented as a screen-based scene on a much smaller scale trackless dark ride.Id still add that those attractions would arrive in a much different form. (And I actually don’t think Ministry could’ve fit as it’s presented. Those buildings are BIG.
Being pessimistic, but this is unfortunately what happened at WDW when they expanded to 4 parks. It resulted in investments being spread thin across 4 parks, resulting in lack of investment for years. Not saying UOR is following the same mindset, but it's a realistic concern.It’s not like Epic prevents any further additions to those parks
Disney severely underbuilt DHS and DAK from the beginning and have been trying to play catch up with those parks ever since. Epic will be more flush with things to do from the start. Not that this totally prevents investment from being spread thin, but none of the UOR parks themselves should feel lacking in number of things to do as drastically as DHS and DAK.Being pessimistic, but this is unfortunately what happened at WDW when they expanded to 4 parks. It resulted in investments being spread thin across 4 parks, resulting in lack of investment for years. Not saying UOR is following the same mindset, but it's a realistic concern.
I'm hoping they get the HRRR F&F replacement and Pokemon completed before 2030. While Pokemon is rumored for 2030 as of now, I am hoping that Universal is taking a wait and see approach to see how much USF attendance craters to determine if USF takes a higher priority over EU's first expansion (Luigi's mansion mini land)I hope we also take a breather and realize while there are areas that could use some help in IOA (TL Theater and LC) - it's in damn good shape, and we know USF is on the docket next with the rumors circling the areas of "concern".
Certainly true for IOA and USF I think, but capacity problems and dead areas I think are more palpable in aggregate to even the non-enthusiasts visting, oh, I don't know, Disney's Animal Kingdom or Disney's Hollywood Studios.MOST guests don't see the problems with the existing parks that enthusiasts see. Yes, improvements can be made in USF and IOA, but they'll do just fine as they are in the mean time.
Which… wouldn’t have happened if things went with original plans. It would have been…Ok here is what I think the naysayers think should have happened.
Ministry in FFL plot
Mario in KidZone
Pokémon in Epic.
LotR in Epic.
Monsters in Epic.
HTTYD in Epic.
Zelda in IOA
Very downsized.So the Battle of Ministry, as is right now, was going to go into FFL? Or a downsized version?