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Epic Universe Expansion Speculation

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See, that's the problem with many of the IPs Universal has in their arsenal. Many of them are quite similar. If they put LotR in the big expansion plot in Epic, then they have 3 IPs with Dragons on the right side of the park. And Potter draws heavily on the LotR tropes. Zelda has a similar feel.

And Potter and Wicked have similar issues. I suspect USGB will be the only park to get a full blown Oz land, and it will be very WWOHP-like but a bit more green and pink.
 
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See, that's the problem with many of the IPs Universal has in their arsenal. Many of them are quite similar. If they put LotR in the big expansion plot in Epic, then they have 3 IPs with Dragons on the right side of the park. And Potter draws heavily on the LotR tropes. Zelda has a similar feel.

And Potter and Wicked have similar issues. I suspect USGB will be the only park to get a full blown Oz land, and it will be very WWOHP-like but a bit more green and pink
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Now that you mention it, there are a lot of IPS that basically just exist somewhere within the venn diagram of lizards, castles, and magic.
 
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I know this image lends itself more to Blue Sky, but I just wanted it for reference of possibilities for everyone to consider.

Celestial Park Theater & Celestial Park Original (label on map) - can switch around, but I feel like these two spots are prime for more original takes (or a small IP).

If the expansion pad between SNW & Dark Universe is utilized by Luigi's I find it hard to connect it to Celestial Park, so ideally it would be a perfect transition to Dark Universe.

There's a sliver of land to the west of Ministry of Magic's showbuilding. While small, and in the firework launch zone, I could see this area eventually utilized by a mini indoor land or Potter expansion.

To the east of Ministry of Magic, is the original Potter expansion pad for the 2nd attraction. While I'd like to save this spot for future Potter expansion based on the show's response, I could see this go away for a different land/portal altogether. It's enough land for a dark ride and mini and the size of SNW's Mario area.

The top corner is obviously the largest expansion opportunity that seems to be saved for LOTR.

In summary, you could see Epic gain approximately 7+ attractions & experiences (pending how they design each land).
 
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I know this image lends itself more to Blue Sky, but I just wanted it for reference of possibilities for everyone to consider.

Celestial Park Theater & Celestial Park Original (label on map) - can switch around, but I feel like these two spots are prime for more original takes (or a small IP).

If the expansion pad between SNW & Dark Universe is utilized by Luigi's I find it hard to connect it to Celestial Park, so ideally it would be a perfect transition to Dark Universe.

There's a sliver of land to the west of Ministry of Magic's showbuilding. While small, and in the firework launch zone, I could see this area eventually utilized by a mini indoor land or Potter expansion.

To the east of Ministry of Magic, is the original Potter expansion pad for the 2nd attraction. While I'd like to save this spot for future Potter expansion based on the show's response, I could see this go away for a different land/portal altogether. It's enough land for a dark ride and mini and the size of SNW's Mario area.

The top corner is obviously the largest expansion opportunity that seems to be saved for LOTR.

In summary, you could see Epic gain approximately 7+ attractions & experiences (pending how they design each land).
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I believe that top one by the pond is earmarked as hotel expansion.
 
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The issue comes down to genre. Epic has one videogame land which is sorta a blend of genres but has minor fantasy elements. Httyd and Potter are fantasy. Dark Universe is Horror. The hub is sci-fi fantasy. So whether the expansion is Wicked or LOTR, they will have similarities to the current portals.

And to clarify Wicked is American-focused fantasy. The designers talked about this a lot actually from Chicago's White City as the inspiration for the Emerald City to the inclusion of different forms of transportation. So Having Wicked in Epic would help break up the European fantasy. However, like some of you have said there's a risk the land could be too similar to Paris. I think a partial solution to that would be to include another location like Munchkinland.

LOTR has the benefit of Rivendell being unique compared to Potter and Httyd. But like the Emerald City, some art nouveau elements would be pretty similar to Paris.

Ideally the expansion should be Sci-Fi but I don't see a Sci-Fi property they will be able to get their hands on that can fill nearly 20 acres like LOTR or Wicked. Both are very expansive worlds with multiple locations.
 
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I believe that top one by the pond is earmarked as hotel expansion.
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Expansion for Helios or new hotel expansion?
 
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Expansion for Helios or new hotel expansion?
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I'm not @Alicia but I suspect her answer will be, "IDK, permits say "hotel expansion".
 
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Ideally the expansion should be Sci-Fi but I don't see a Sci-Fi property they will be able to get their hands on that can fill nearly 20 acres like LOTR or Wicked. Both are very expansive worlds with multiple locations.
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I know it was thrown about once--but a version of "Sci-Fi City" from Singapore could be an interesting option. Isn't like you wouldn't have pick of IP's that could work well for it.

Headline it with Star Trek + Metroid, and you could then fill in blanks with original concepts (or even a version of Battlestar Galactica that could work in tandem with the land at large). Isn't a perfect route, but it would be a route that could be viable.
 
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I believe that top one by the pond is earmarked as hotel expansion.
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Perfect spot for a Potter hotel
 
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There's no way the HTTYD expansion plot is that big, right???? That's definitely enough for another flat and a flying simulator ride. Easiest way to round out a land ever.


Anyways I second Godzilla in Universal (look at my pfp), but instead of it being apart of Tokyo in a hypothetical Studios expansion (which would be an amazing get, the Sanrio, Godzilla and probably Miku or something else (Sonic???) land would be a mega hit), I say we need a sci-fi franchise in EU and it should be The Monsterverse.

Now, using a American reinterpretation of a Japan icon seems crazy, especially such a recent one from a moderately popular franchise, but it gives Universal the ability to kill Skull Island in IOA by moving Kong to EU, gets them the ability to use Godzilla, who everyone loves and adores with all their hearts and I won't take no for an answer on, and also let's them use Mothra who everyone DEFINITELY loves and adores :). But really, it's the most popular sci-fi IP in the current landscape they likely can license.

Godzilla and King Kong fighting is a novel concept and won't get old. Everyone loves giant monsters and I feel like while there's probably a worry of overlap with Dark Universe, the monsters there are more... personal?, the monsters at the Monsterverse camp won't look you in the eye, they're larger than life. I'm biased, I'm insane, but I think Godzilla and by extension, the Monsterverse should get a seat at the EU table.
 
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Now, using a American reinterpretation of a Japan icon seems crazy, especially such a recent one from a moderately popular franchise, but it gives Universal the ability to kill Skull Island in IOA by moving Kong to EU, gets them the ability to use Godzilla, who everyone loves and adores with all their hearts and I won't take no for an answer on, and also let's them use Mothra who everyone DEFINITELY loves and adores :). But really, it's the most popular sci-fi IP in the current landscape they likely can license.

Godzilla and King Kong fighting is a novel concept and won't get old. Everyone loves giant monsters and I feel like while there's probably a worry of overlap with Dark Universe, the monsters there are more... personal?, the monsters at the Monsterverse camp won't look you in the eye, they're larger than life. I'm biased, I'm insane, but I think Godzilla and by extension, the Monsterverse should get a seat at the EU table.
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I do not think Universal would want to replace their version of King Kong with Warner Brother's "Kong". The former requires no licensing agreements on Universal's part, as they own that version outright.
 
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Godzilla at universal would be insane. absolutely insane. I just can't imagine it happening. it would be so wild. would the ride just be a screen ride or just a roller coaster?
how do you even depict him in the land? just a giant head?

 
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Expansion for Helios or new hotel expansion?
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I don’t know, permits say "hotel expansion.”
 
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I know it was thrown about once--but a version of "Sci-Fi City" from Singapore could be an interesting option. Isn't like you wouldn't have pick of IP's that could work well for it.

Headline it with Star Trek + Metroid, and you could then fill in blanks with original concepts (or even a version of Battlestar Galactica that could work in tandem with the land at large). Isn't a perfect route, but it would be a route that could be viable.
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Star Fleet next to the Galactic Federation would definitely blend well. Since this is a city why not still include a Godzilla attack attraction. The depiction doesn’t really matter since he’s so recognizable but with a sequel on the way why not base it off of his current Japanese look from Minus One? Just the look, not time period. He is practically immortal after all. The way that version shoots his Atomic Breath is just *chef’s kiss*

So what does everyone think? Does Star Trek, Metroid, and Godzilla make a good Sci-Fi land? Maybe include BTTF as well?
 
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I'm not sure... I feel like it would be pretty jarring to have one mash-up land in a park that prides itself in fully immersive lands based around a single IP. I feel like that goes against the thesis of Epic Universe.
 
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I'm not sure... I feel like it would be pretty jarring to have one mash-up land in a park that prides itself in fully immersive lands based around a single IP. I feel like that goes against the thesis of Epic Universe.
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I was playing on the Sci-Fi idea. I don’t think there’s a current Sci-Fi IP that’s available for Universal that could justify a land this big.
 
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I'm not sure... I feel like it would be pretty jarring to have one mash-up land in a park that prides itself in fully immersive lands based around a single IP. I feel like that goes against the thesis of Epic Universe.
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Except Monsters and Nintendo are already, ostensibly, mash-ups. The only actual commonality of the Monsters is that they had movies made by Universal. Each of the monsters originally existed as completely separate IPs. Donkey Kong is a separate enough IP to Nintendo they separate him from Mario and the potential for a separate Luigi’s Mansion area does the same. Both of this lands are connected by theme more than singular IP.
 
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Except Monsters and Nintendo are already, ostensibly, mash-ups. The only actual commonality of the Monsters is that they had movies made by Universal. Each of the monsters originally existed as completely separate IPs. Donkey Kong is a separate enough IP to Nintendo they separate him from Mario and the potential for a separate Luigi’s Mansion area does the same. Both of this lands are connected by theme more than singular IP.
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Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart, Donkey Kong Country, and Luigi's Mansion all exist under the "extended Mario universe". All of these stories exist within the same canon and world, similar to how the Marvel Universe consists of smaller sub-IPs like Spider-Man, The Avengers, and Guardians of The Galaxy.

While Monsters pulls a variety of different characters, The Universe Classic Monsters is a distinct IP and interpretation that built upon the original stories through sequels and mash-ups, which also lead to the creation of Universal's own Bride of Frankenstein. Dark Universe seems to be a new interpretation that's separate from the original film's exact canon, but pulls from its most memorable iconography. Because the team behind the land was given creative autonomy, they were able to make a fully flesh-out world that can house all these different character.

Conversely, properties like Star Trek, Blade Runner, Metroid, and Godzilla all abide to a strict canon that is maintained by their rights holders, and cannot exist in the same place and time. A land that encompasses all these franchises would strictly have to been a generic version of "Sci-fi", rather than an immersive world that all these different characters and stories could inhabit together outside of their hypothetical individual attractions. I don't think another version of "Tomorrowland" would bring much to the table for Epic or Orlando as a whole.
 
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I really hate the idea of Wicked in the theme parks because it feels like the IP only has scope for its originally planned 2 movies, before any more content will start to feel as forced as Fantastic Beasts were. Because of this I worry Wicked will be a short-lived IP in the public consciousness that a few megafans will continue to adore for years, but won't stay as relevant as things like Jurassic Park, and therefore a permanent representation as a physical theme park land isn't a good idea.

Nonetheless I like the idea of Wicked in Epic well. Epic seems to love its "fantastical" lands, every land is rendered fantastically in a way if you think about it, like how DisneySea is all about romanticised vistas. Inbetween the happy and cheery Super Nintendo World, and cold and macabre Dark Universe, another fantastical IP all about these mixing nuanced vibes would go great.

My guesses for future expansion are no Nintendo (Uni wants to treat Nintendo like Potter, 1 land per park so you gotta visit all their parks to get the full Nintendo experience), no Lord of the Rings (saved to be a Universal Studios Great Britain exclusive to draw international crowds), and unfortunately no Back to the Future (too old and 'small' of an IP to merit a whole new land).

What I think could happen is a sci-fi property of some kind, of which Uni have many, just unfortunately no big ones that immediately come to mind. I consider Celestial Park to be more nostalgic retro steampunk space, rather than full on science fiction, so a true modern sci-fi land could do well. I'd like it to be a non-IP land, which I know is super unlikely, but I expect and hope Dark Universe will be an unexpected sleeper hit, and Unchained's crowds, and its restaurant's rave reviews will reignite a passion in Uni to do the occasional non-IP romp.

However, I think we won't see any new lands for at least a decade. We know even more Celestial Park dining is somehow on the way in '25, the Potter Great Hall restaurant is up in '26, then we could Luigi's Mansion or the Black Lagoon boat ride next by maybe 2030 or later, IDK (I hope Unchained's success will put this seemingly-canceled ride back on the roadmap; Dark Universe needs 50 expansions ASAP!!!). I also think Uni isn't done expanding their existing 2 parks, and some capital will be going to them whilst Epic stays as is and enjoys the attention from simply being new for a good number of years.
 
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How I see expansions going, roads being yellow(aha), landscaping green, new buildings teal, Walls red.
1. Dark Uni
- Black Lagoon is a shoe in, the people demand a water ride with outdoor/indoor elements + animatronics
- Due to pathing options around Burning Blade, you *could* have a smaller experience closer to LM or go all in and have a bigger, better, longer Lagoon, IDK not a very wide space and boats have little verticality to work with so they may need it.

2. LM
- could but absolutely does not need it own Portal, too redundant, has entrances/exits into both Dark and greater SNW
- current landscaping separating land from Celestial can have a moderate Celestial expansion instead.
- supplemented by a play area ala Berk/Mario based on Scarescraper, think high grade spooky McDs/Chuck.E.Cheese.
- Room for smaller Kiosk/snack carts similar to DK and an exit near Celestial NStore and SNWs exit.
2A. The Mansion
- SNW true E-Ticket, worlds most advanced shooter ride, the Iconic original Mansion, Disney HM competitor
- Facade visible from Dark-U and DK, built on artificial Hill, full mansion outer wall, Dark ride entirely indoors
- Underground E.Gadds Lab/Training Grounds as que, resurfaces to front of Mansion, single riders skip all that and can ramp straight to entrance.
- Riders get on in main foyer, travels through 2-3 floors + Basement including Fake back courtyard/graveyard.
- Tracks along wider hallways to fit 2x ride vehicles but otherwise very Intimate, low ceiling, doll house-esque (rooms missing walls for vision)
- Catch ghosts (VR w/ Animatronics) using Diegetic flash lights, photosensors, and Vacuum "IR/Gyro Ray Gun" interact with physical animatronic sets to find treasure and increase score.
- Classic picture on ride to gift shop scheme, except photos are ran through a painting Filter to make them portraits with the frame and everything
- Exit ride from basement "boss area" into E.Gadds Gallery/gift shop, then back outside.

3. Celestial Park Expansion Area right of SNW
- Unlike all other areas where you can tell they plan to connect to current lands, this has not been prepared in any shape or form to connect SNW
- Nintendo has no additional Mario adjacent IPs, and this is too small for Ns next biggest IPs in the form of Zelda/AC
- Is right across from Atlantis restaurant so return of Poseidon??

4. Hotel Expansion
- Dead obvious place to Hotel-ize their best and most popular IP
- exclusive restaurant, gate into HP Paris, right next to the Ministry, prime real estate for early access
- #1 Haven for Gen2 wand interactions - wand your TV, your AC, and even your Toilet!

5. HP Flex
- can expand Paris with another Dark Ride if it turns out the HP gravy train just doesn't stop.
- Can also be the flexible transition into similar IP 5th Portal, ala LM to Dark-U

6. Berk Expansion
- Berk needs a Dark Ride, Flight Sim is the only choice, this stuff builds itself

7. The 5th Portal
- awkward narrow entrance, no room for rides, Ideal for IP with strong and unique theming to jazz up what will basically be a hallway
IP requirements:
- IP should be able to produce multiple rides/experiences, outdoor and indoor
- Ideally can have thrills & family experiences, but Fam > Thrill by itself.
- IP thematically compatible to HP is a bonus
- IP fits Epic more than other two(three(four)) Parks
- Large Facades that can block the water treatment miasma are a bonus

IMO, the best fitting IPs are Zelda and Pokémon (duh) . They've been pegged to fill spaces in other parks but they make sooo much more sense in EPIC. If Universal cares about consistent theming at all, they'll keep the "Thrill Book park" the "Thrill Book park", the "Movie/City Park" the "Movie/City Park", and the "Video Game+ Park" the "Video Game+ Park". Double down I say, epic gamers rise up!!

Still, Why no Dreamworks you ask? Simply because there is no meaningful way to connect it to Berk and that will feel like a huge synergy fail with Nintendo and Dark-U collaborating to "put the square in the square hole" so to speak with LM. Shrek being based on Fairy Tales and pop culture belongs more to IoA and already has rep in Studios/alternate parks, so Kung Fu Panda is the only other shoe in if not in an actual Chinese park, but they've built themselves into a corner with Stardust Racers and Wing gliders blocking all connection (and frankly KFP4 was half-assed garbage which doesn't help). Aside from those, no other DW IPs are big enough to compete.

Wicked and LotR obviously have the biggest zeitgeists and few downsides BUT, they both thematically fit IoA better, and LotR specifically has less ride potential because its world is grand and iconic but not particularly fantastical from moment to moment, its more more medieval/feudal in aggregate and its rides it would have thrive on thrill as a more austere IP (D&D wouldn't have this problem, just saying). Thus IMO it would have greater utilization in IoA where it fits better and could have 1 great thrill ride, or in general at UUK where it could be a more expansive more vibey centerpiece that fulfills the same roll as Celestial Park with lots of iconic locations for food/leisure.

If I couldn't have Zelda or Pokemon, and IoA only has one spot to expand with LotR, Wicked would be my third choice as it has no other downsides and frankly unlike LotR it should not go to UUK specifically because its an Americana IP. Let me get Yellow Bricked up on the way to the Shiz Stage Show, Munchkin Munchies, Emerald Dark ride, and Flying Monkey Coaster. Hell, add more interactive wand locations in Oz, give us our moneys worth.
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