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the violinist just adds soooo much to that house!!

I find it a bit interesting that folks seem to really enjoy the pier and folks are talking about the mood, as you say, the lyric. For some reason I am not found of the sound track this year, but beyond that, I seem to recall the HHN houses of the past having a sort of rhythm to them, like they are built around a tempo, a house specific soundtrack that sets the mood the pace, everything -- I just do not 'feel' that with the houses this year (save the pier). That sort of dance I recall from the houses in the past is the only thing I really sense as missing, being absent.
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Was thinking this as well. Think about just last year tooth fairy or US the year before had a whole soundtrack when you walked in. Also this could be just me but I wonder if it’s the scares. I rarely get jump scares but even my wife who is usually scared every year was fine through the all the house except Black Phone.
 
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Pier was going for something much more unique and difficult then jump scares - an overwhelming mood of unease and melancholy, which it achieved wonderfully through the use of incredible sets and well-placed scareactors. More people saying “boo” would have been detrimental to the house.

Guests attend HHN for different reasons. I go for sets, mood, wit, and humor. If Pier doesn’t rank very high on your all-time list, I suspect you want something out of the event that doesn’t interest me much.
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Pier was an incredibly themed house with some absolutely stunning set design, but was severely lacking in the scares department. I would put Wicked Growth well above Pier in the overall category because it had a lot of innovation (bridge) and some excellent scares.

Pier is another Carnival Graveyard IMHO.
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Pier feels repetitive. Yes the sets are really good. But it's just repetitive.
Feels like a long beautiful museum. Not a haunted house
 
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I was under the impression it was so Weeknd could use the queue space Sprung 1 usually took (hence Spring 1 queue using the old Sprung 2 switch back this year).
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Nope. Red is Sprung. Yellow is Weeknd.
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Was thinking this as well. Think about just last year tooth fairy or US the year before had a whole soundtrack when you walked in.
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I'm usually not an essay writer on these things but I've been really thinking about this- Its ironic that they have one of the top music artists in the world for a house, and the absolute worst walk-around soundtrack of all time lol

I legitimately think this is what's "off." There's no spooky music, or hype music, or synthwave we had for like 3 years. It's really generic music if you're anywhere in the park. It's the equivalency of watching a horror movie with the audio off. There are some amazing houses this year and I've had a blast, but why is the actual line for the Weeknds house better than hanging out in a scarezone.

I think one of the worst offenders is the main gate. There's nothing badass to get you excited or a foreboding/haunting glimpse of what to come. This carries into houses as well, some of which have better outside the house audio than inside.
 
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I'm usually not an essay writer on these things but I've been really thinking about this- Its ironic that they have one of the top music artists in the world for a house, and the absolute worst walk-around soundtrack of all time lol

I legitimately think this is what's "off." There's no spooky music, or hype music, or synthwave we had for like 3 years. It's really generic music if you're anywhere in the park. It's the equivalency of watching a horror movie with the audio off. There are some amazing houses this year and I've had a blast, but why is the actual line for the Weeknds house better than hanging out in a scarezone.

I think one of the worst offenders is the main gate. There's nothing badass to get you excited or a foreboding/haunting glimpse of what to come. This carries into houses as well, some of which have better outside the house audio than inside.
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Defiantly part of it. Love midnight syndicate and a little embarrassed to admit the few weeks leading up to the event I would listen to the HHN 30 Park music loop while working :rock: :lol:
 
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I'm usually not an essay writer on these things but I've been really thinking about this- Its ironic that they have one of the top music artists in the world for a house, and the absolute worst walk-around soundtrack of all time lol

I legitimately think this is what's "off." There's no spooky music, or hype music, or synthwave we had for like 3 years. It's really generic music if you're anywhere in the park. It's the equivalency of watching a horror movie with the audio off. There are some amazing houses this year and I've had a blast, but why is the actual line for the Weeknds house better than hanging out in a scarezone.

I think one of the worst offenders is the main gate. There's nothing badass to get you excited or a foreboding/haunting glimpse of what to come. This carries into houses as well, some of which have better outside the house audio than inside.
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Yes
I think that's what's off. You got it
I paid close attention today, and none of the zones had good music. Some zones just had weird sounds

Most people might think that the music in the park is no big deal,
But unconsciously it takes a toll on your experience. It's like this subliminal messaging underneath. No one noticed how bad it is, but afterwards you have this annoyed feeling lol.
I think that's what it is. Feels like bar music kind of
 
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I'm usually not an essay writer on these things but I've been really thinking about this- Its ironic that they have one of the top music artists in the world for a house, and the absolute worst walk-around soundtrack of all time lol

I legitimately think this is what's "off." There's no spooky music, or hype music, or synthwave we had for like 3 years. It's really generic music if you're anywhere in the park. It's the equivalency of watching a horror movie with the audio off. There are some amazing houses this year and I've had a blast, but why is the actual line for the Weeknds house better than hanging out in a scarezone.

I think one of the worst offenders is the main gate. There's nothing badass to get you excited or a foreboding/haunting glimpse of what to come. This carries into houses as well, some of which have better outside the house audio than inside.
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It's super interesting when you compare the park atmosphere from a decade ago...


2010 (played around the park with FEAR speaking):



As apposed to


2019:



2022:
 
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I genuinely have no idea how one could find Pier repetitive. I can understand finding Weeknd or Hellblock repetitive. I can understand feeling that way about Monsters or Chupacabra, even though I liked those houses. But Pier is one of the least repetitive houses HHN has ever done. It features a wide range of spaces of vastly different sizes, each with an obvious, unique, and seemingly organic purpose. There are none of the flavorless hallways that are found in even the best HHN mazes - each location feels necessary and distinct. More then any other maze I’ve ever done, Pier feels like a real place, a sensation vastly furthered by the landmarks visible from multiple locations and the ingenious layout. One less commented upon element that really contributes to the sense of realism and spatial variety is the dramatic change in elevation, something featured in no other HHN house I can recall. The house builds masterfully along a clear narrative line, tension growing from the statue of the violinist to the ghostly apparition on the ship. Honestly, it’s the least “repetitive” house I’ve experienced in 14 HHNs.

Not to be overly aggressive, but to those who value jump scares over all else - why bother traveling to HHN? Local haunts are often just as good or better at offering those moments then HHN.
 
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shiekra38 said:
It's super interesting when you compare the park atmosphere from a decade ago...
2008 (Played with Bloody Mary audio cues):



2010 (played around the park with FEAR speaking):


As apposed to

2019:


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This is depressing. Pretty depressing actually.

I understand things evolve, I Understand the event needs to change things up.
I fully understand that universal wants to appeal to different audiences,
I "get it". But sometimes, some things don't fit.
Sometimes some songs just aren't a good fit. (You can ruin a scene in a movie by adding the wrong music. That has happened to movies before. )

Music has made the event feel epic and scary before. Your post is proof of that. This year it definitely is no bueno.
It's definitely not iconic or memorable. Not horror or spooky. Not iconic
 
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I'm usually not an essay writer on these things but I've been really thinking about this- Its ironic that they have one of the top music artists in the world for a house, and the absolute worst walk-around soundtrack of all time lol

I legitimately think this is what's "off." There's no spooky music, or hype music, or synthwave we had for like 3 years. It's really generic music if you're anywhere in the park. It's the equivalency of watching a horror movie with the audio off. There are some amazing houses this year and I've had a blast, but why is the actual line for the Weeknds house better than hanging out in a scarezone.

I think one of the worst offenders is the main gate. There's nothing badass to get you excited or a foreboding/haunting glimpse of what to come. This carries into houses as well, some of which have better outside the house audio than inside.
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Holy crap I was literally about to come on here and write about the fact I think the music is what’s wrong this year. I feel like spooky music needs to play around the park not rockabilly. I understand that they were going for cheesy town festival, trick or treat style Halloween. But even then, the soundtrack just doesn’t fit still. I’m at HHN, not a small town fall festival. I want Midnight Syndicate or some other spooky music.

That has to be it. Like I said I loved the house designs and scenic, I loved the zones this year. But it felt like the atmosphere just wasn’t there. Really reminds you how incredibly important music is to this event’s atmosphere.
 
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As long as I’m pontificating, I’ve been thinking about why this year feels odd. The music is part of it, but I’d question how large a part. There is also a sense of scattered identity in the merchandise that feels a bit reminiscent of 15, with the vague sense that departmental clash produced a lack of focus and diluted the traditional Halloween approach.

I think a much bigger part, however, is that the houses often failed to deliver on the specific expectations their description and theming produced. On paper, this year has one of the cleverest, most varied, and most enjoyable lineups in the events history. In practice, house designers often seemed to have approached their subject in an unexpected, often counterintuitive manner. In one case, this produced a truly great house - Pier, with its unique prioritization of mood over jump scares. Elsewhere, however, the almost elliptical approach was either not helpful or actively detrimental, producing a sense in guests that something is a bit off.

Monsters, for instance, promises a colossal three-way conflict but essentially offers a Mummy house with brief and vaguely disconnected appearances by the Wolfman and Drac. Bugs builds expectations for a humor house mocking 50s “houses of the future” via the giant bug films of the period like Them, but quickly loses any satirical edge to a succession of gross out rooms. Coven seems to promise locations and mood akin to the Kit Kat Club from last years Legendary or the club spaces in Dusk til Dawn or Demon Cantina, with copious mugs and molls scattered throughout, but delivers only narrow, dim, sparsely populated hallways that offer nothing like the promised good-time speakeasy. Even Halloween, presumably to avoid copying the stronger house at 24, offers an odd assortment of scenes often depicted in strange ways - for instance, Annie’s car scene, pivotal to both the film and prior house, is absent, Loomis is barely featured, and the closet scene is shown in a profoundly weird way.

I could go on (obviously), but I think this failure to meet expectations or attempts to meet them in odd ways contributes to an overall sense that something is off. I think something similar holds true with the music. The streets, on the other hand, are completely straightforward, exactly what one would expect from the description and very in line with the event’s back-to-basics theme - and they’ve earned almost universal praise.
 
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Y’all always complain about the music. :lol:

This year they went for a Halloween party vibe, and I think it fits the bill - whether I’m a fan of the music or not.
 
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Oh I agree it fits the theme, but not, IMO, what they delivered if that makes any sense. It’s like here’s some high calibur sets and detailed props and spooky zones like Graveyard and Scarecrow. But music is cheap small town festival. Idk, I get what you’re saying, Brian, just didn’t quite gel as much as I thought it should. It did fit Sweet Revenge a bit though.

Still had a great time this year as always. And I absolutely adored the merch this year. Loved the classic Halloween stuff.

EDIT: More I think about it, more you might be right, Brian. Maybe the problem isn’t the event this time. Maybe it’s expectations. I always forget how different each year can feel and honestly at the time being there, I was enjoying the cheesy atmosphere. Guess it’s a hindsight thing. Loved it being there, then start comparing it to other years when I get home, then remember how unique it was and how much I actually loved that atmosphere while I was there.

All I know is I thought this was a fun year. Definitely one of the good ones in my personal opinion.

Either way, the classic Halloween imagery and vibes did it for me, but music was still hit and miss overall.

Yes I May be having an argument with myself, you all do it, don’t lie.

EDIT #2: I’m going back. My friend whose first HHN was this year loved it so much he wants to go again Tuesday, so I’m going too. Decided to get myself another ticket and going again. I love my family but they rush us through the event mostly cause everyone is ready to go far sooner than me. I’m going to give my final opinion after that. Like I said, I enjoyed the atmosphere and loved the imagery so it’s time for me to spend more time soaking it in. All I can say is regardless, this is not a mid-tier or low-tier year for me, it’s definitely higher for me as I’m a sucker for classic Halloween. Also I’m only gonna hit houses I feel like waiting for. This trip is more for general atmosphere.
 
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Oh I agree it fits the theme, but not, IMO, what they delivered if that makes any sense. It’s like here’s some high calibur sets and detailed props and spooky zones like Graveyard and Scarecrow. But music is cheap small town festival. Idk, I get what you’re saying, Brian, just didn’t quite gel as much as I thought it should. It did fit Sweet Revenge a bit though.

Still had a great time this year as always. And I absolutely adored the merch this year. Loved the classic Halloween stuff.

EDIT: More I think about it, more you might be right, Brian. Maybe the problem isn’t the event this time. Maybe it’s expectations. I always forget how different each year can feel and honestly at the time being there, I was enjoying the cheesy atmosphere. Guess it’s a hindsight thing. Loved it being there, then start comparing it to other years when I get home, then remember how unique it was and how much I actually loved that atmosphere while I was there.

All I know is I thought this was a fun year. Definitely one of the good ones in my personal opinion.

Either way, the classic Halloween imagery and vibes did it for me, but music was still hit and miss overall.

Yes I May be having an argument with myself, you all do it, don’t lie.

EDIT #2: I’m going back. My friend whose first HHN was this year loved it so much he wants to go again Tuesday, so I’m going to. Decided to get myself another ticket and going again. I love my family but they rush us through the event mostly cause everyone is ready to go far sooner than me. I’m going to give my final opinion after that. Like I said, I enjoyed the atmosphere and loved the imagery so it’s time for me to spend more time soaking it in. All I can say is regardless, this is not a mid-tier or low-tier year for me, it’s definitely higher for me as I’m a sucker for classic Halloween. Also I’m only gonna hit houses I feel like waiting for. This trip is more for general atmosphere.
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I don't particularly get a Halloween party feel, but it feels like the Hot Topic store at the Florida Mall lol
( And Hot Topic is selling horror nights merchandise this year, so the music might literally be linked to Hot Topic.... ) mmmm.... What if that's the link to the music. This music definitely feels like the store at the mall.

it kinda feels like a WJRR ( the Orlando's rock/ metal radio station) summer beer/rock festival lol. Every year WJRR does a summer festival with like 30 bands playing in Orlando. (Kinda like Ozzfest, )
But none of the houses or zones have that "concert" vibe except Weeknd. And Weeknd isn't metal,
It reminds me of when Howl O Scream had that rock/ metal singer as the icon years ago.
 
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Y’all always complain about the music. :lol:

This year they went for a Halloween party vibe, and I think it fits the bill - whether I’m a fan of the music or not.
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I know I do not like the music used in the streets this year, but I do not think anything can be as bad as the year when all zones where the Walking Dead.

I do feel the houses are missing the care that has been used in years past, how background music/sound effects, they all set a mood in the house, the house's sounds and music also set the tempo to the house. For some reason, for me this year, I just do not feel the BGM used in the houses match the quality of the houses and that is the only thing I can spot that feels different to me this year.
 
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I don't particularly get a Halloween party feel, but it feels like the Hot Topic store at the Florida Mall lol
( And Hot Topic is selling horror nights merchandise this year, so the music might literally be linked to Hot Topic.... ) mmmm.... What if that's the link to the music. This music definitely feels like the store at the mall.
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Hot Topic is where the youths go...you just don't understand

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It reminds me of when Howl O Scream had that rock/ metal singer as the icon years ago.
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Totally, buuut, she had her own house, original songs, and a storyline...And also the rest of the park didn't play rock music


I get the vibe they were going for at HHN this year...I'm just not sure it totally clicked

That being said, the soundtracks for Sweet Revenge, Graveyard, and the houses are great

Towards the back of the park I'm hoping they play more ambient stuff moving forward

Example:

 
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Y’all always complain about the music. :lol:

This year they went for a Halloween party vibe, and I think it fits the bill - whether I’m a fan of the music or not.
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I like the idea of a Halloween Party atmosphere, the songs chosen just don't elicit that.
 
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As long as I’m pontificating, I’ve been thinking about why this year feels odd. The music is part of it, but I’d question how large a part. There is also a sense of scattered identity in the merchandise that feels a bit reminiscent of 15, with the vague sense that departmental clash produced a lack of focus and diluted the traditional Halloween approach.

I think a much bigger part, however, is that the houses often failed to deliver on the specific expectations their description and theming produced. On paper, this year has one of the cleverest, most varied, and most enjoyable lineups in the events history. In practice, house designers often seemed to have approached their subject in an unexpected, often counterintuitive manner. In one case, this produced a truly great house - Pier, with its unique prioritization of mood over jump scares. Elsewhere, however, the almost elliptical approach was either not helpful or actively detrimental, producing a sense in guests that something is a bit off.

Monsters, for instance, promises a colossal three-way conflict but essentially offers a Mummy house with brief and vaguely disconnected appearances by the Wolfman and Drac. Bugs builds expectations for a humor house mocking 50s “houses of the future” via the giant bug films of the period like Them, but quickly loses any satirical edge to a succession of gross out rooms. Coven seems to promise locations and mood akin to the Kit Kat Club from last years Legendary or the club spaces in Dusk til Dawn or Demon Cantina, with copious mugs and molls scattered throughout, but delivers only narrow, dim, sparsely populated hallways that offer nothing like the promised good-time speakeasy. Even Halloween, presumably to avoid copying the stronger house at 24, offers an odd assortment of scenes often depicted in strange ways - for instance, Annie’s car scene, pivotal to both the film and prior house, is absent, Loomis is barely featured, and the closet scene is shown in a profoundly weird way.

I could go on (obviously), but I think this failure to meet expectations or attempts to meet them in odd ways contributes to an overall sense that something is off. I think something similar holds true with the music. The streets, on the other hand, are completely straightforward, exactly what one would expect from the description and very in line with the event’s back-to-basics theme - and they’ve earned almost universal praise.
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An excellent post, I agree with everything you've said.

Riffing a bit on it, I think the new HHN regime excels at iconography -- but at the cost of story-telling.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. The classic fan-favorite Disney rides -- Pirates, Mansion, Space Mt, BTMRR -- are more about immersing you in a strange new world, but don't really tell a story. Universal rides, on the other hand, have always largely been story-driven. 90% of the time it's we start on one mission, something goes horribly wrong, dangers continually escalate, until a climactic save. Both are valid approaches, but being a Universal event largely created in its formative years by stage vets coming from entertainment, HHN houses tended to follow the latter approach.

Iconography works great for zones, because you can't really tell a story with a zone. Too random when people arrive, how long they stay, etc. (A zone can have a backstory -- e.g. Eddie crashing a movie set -- but that story generally will not be advanced.) That's why this year's zones work great, they capture a Halloween vibe. But DMP, Hellblock and Weeknd work like Disney rides -- beautiful scenery but you have to stretch to find a narrative. Even Bugs and Halloween, two houses that do have a narrative, feel more like a collection of vignettes strung together. Compare Coven --- which immerses us in a 1920s bootlegging operation -- with Demon Cantina, where you try to escape the bar as more and more monsters attack, until you find yourself face to face with the Devil himself. The scenes in Coven are almost interchangeable, where Cantina had a clear progression. Too few houses this year build tension, which I think is what a lot of us are trying to express by saying "not enough scares." Black Phone the exception, and to me that feels like the most "classic" HHN house this year.

Again, this is different, not bad. But it does challenge expectations. Whether fans can get used to this new style remains to be seen.
 
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It's super interesting when you compare the park atmosphere from a decade ago...


2010 (played around the park with FEAR speaking):



As apposed to


2019:



2022:
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There’s a big difference in the attitudes and preferences of HHN’s primary demo between 2010 and 2022, though. I agree the event is missing something but I do think music is one of the changes (along with the food offerings) that’s an overall improvement. Playing dark and scary music would come off cringe and #edgelord in today’s world where even major blockbusters don’t take themselves seriously and are constantly winking at the audience. There’s less willing suspension of disbelief in today’s mainstream media and I think updating the music from moody and atmospheric to a more self-aware “this is a party, enjoy yourself” vibe is a good call.

Me personally, while I wouldn’t see myself buying a theme park soundtrack on vinyl, I’d be more inclined to get a version with the synth-heavy music from ‘18 and ‘19 over the Midnight Syndicate stuff they sell now.
 
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OrlandoGuy said:
There’s a big difference in the attitudes and preferences of HHN’s primary demo between 2010 and 2022, though. I agree the event is missing something but I do think music is one of the changes (along with the food offerings) that’s an overall improvement. Playing dark and scary music would come off cringe and #edgelord in today’s world where even major blockbusters don’t take themselves seriously and are constantly winking at the audience. There’s less willing suspension of disbelief in today’s mainstream media and I think updating the music from moody and atmospheric to a more self-aware “this is a party, enjoy yourself” vibe is a good call.

Me personally, while I wouldn’t see myself buying a theme park soundtrack on vinyl, I’d be more inclined to get a version with the synth-heavy music from ‘18 and ‘19 over the Midnight Syndicate stuff they sell now.
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I definitely liked the synth/cyberpunk music of 29, it worked around the entire park for me

This year's mix is fine-ish out front and in the first scarezone...but towards the back of the park it falls a bit flat for me
 
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