Hogwarts Express ticketing logistics

[Miketheboss]

Why not have one train that transports two park ticket holders and 2 smaller trains that transports single park ticket holders. Thats it problem solved. lol

 

[Marni1971]

Because the ride system can't accommodate three trains?

 

[rhino4evr]

which brings us back to my point...allwoing single riders to go back and forth just doubles the wait for the train. and further congests the area. I just don't think it's a great idea, but I guess we will see how it works out.

 

[Kevin38]

Why not have one train that transports two park ticket holders and 2 smaller trains that transports single park ticket holders. Thats it problem solved. lol

If you are going to let people ride longer it should be the people paying more not less (from a business standpoint)
I prefer to make everyone wait the same.No express means regular line goes faster (but that would be a different thread)

I still say there will be many guests complaining they just want to leave Not wait for a ride back original station.

That means each Que/station will have to have its own bathrooms for people who can't exit in that park.

 

[Vyrus]

My solution for this would have been 4 cars to a train...2 of them for 2 park passes..2 of them for 1 park passes, 1 car IOA, 1 car USF...the 2 park pass trains debark at the other station..the one park ones stay on board and only debark once they are back to their original station.

If the train cars hold roughly 150 each train car, thats 600 people max at any given time riding the train...if the train is every 10 minutes, thats 1800 2 park passengers a day, and 1800 single day tickets...3600 total per phour ride capacity, which is an EXCELLENT ride capacity for this. And thats only counting one train...double and triple that number for more trains.

To MEEE this would have been the most IDEAL idea and the most practical IMHO...cause otherwise the madness at each station to disembark, and re ride, and all that stuff is going to be a headache...I mean who really reads signs on their vacation right?

 

[rhino4evr]

If you are going to let people ride longer it should be the people paying more not less (from a business standpoint)
I prefer to make everyone wait the same.No express means regular line goes faster (but that would be a different thread)

I still say there will be many guests complaining they just want to leave Not wait for a ride back original station.

That means each Que/station will have to have its own bathrooms for people who can't exit in that park.

Exactly..bathrooms is definitely an issue. and as I said earlier, what if the the ride was "too scary" the first time, and the rider doesn't want to ride back..regardless of the hour wait they will most likely have to wait in. If you waited an hour to go on a 5 min ride..then were forced to wait another hour to take another 5 min ride, wouldn't you be pissed?

I really hope they re-consider this idea. The only way the HE works in my mind is to make it for 2 park ticketholders only. It solves so many problems...

Of course it's also insane that the stores are tiny, the new area looks extrememly narrow, and that they don't seel coke products in this part of the park. So who knows, maybe UNI just doesn't care about logistics when it comes to HP.

 

[IzzyB]

Logistics is one thing, but they don't want to force people into 2 park passes for one ride. Lets play out this scenario.

A family of four is looking to spend two days at Uni, one day at Sea World, and 3 days at Disney. They go to the gate the first day and buy that one day one park pass, because tomorrow they can visit the other park. They go around and do a bunch of stuff and get to HP, they realize they need a 2 park pass to ride HE, they upgrade their pass. They do a bunch of stuff in IOA and realize they don't really need to come back a second day. Instead the day before when they went to Sea World they got a 2nd day free, why spend more money to come back and do stuff again or stuff they were not interested in, when they can go for free to Sea World. So now Uni looses out on the 2nd day pass, the food, beverages, etc.

Do you see why financially it does not make sense for Uni to only allow 2 park passes to be the ones to ride HE. They would rather people spend two days (one at each park) then spend one day at two parks. Uni is trying to make a resort where people feel like they need to spend more than one day there. Not think they can only spend one day there. More people than you think have one day one park tickets.

 

[rhino4evr]

the only flaw in this example is that you are figuring that the family has no interest in going back to Universal Studios? Why? What made them change their mind? Not being able to go on HE? I don't think that would stop a families plan of going to both parks.

 

[JungleSkip]

The trains have super high capacity. Lines will be long, but like Forbidden Journey, will move efficiently.

 

[Kevin38]

The trains have super high capacity. Lines will be long, but like Forbidden Journey, will move efficiently.

speaking of lines I wonder what end will have the shorter line ?
People will want to stick around the new area rather than go to the old one?
Are they going to hold back people from exiting from HE into new area when @ capacity
The Station is @ the front of new area Could they have an overflow exit into waterfront area ?
When WWoHP opened it was better to go to Studio's first and let everyone who came for WWoHP
go straight to it .So the afternoon/evening was less crowded.Will the IOA end of HE be short line
or will people going both ways raise the wait time.

 

[Disneyhead]

King's Cross will almost possitively have the longer lines early in the day because of Harry Potter Canon. Potterheads will want to do Diagon Alley first to by supplies like robes and wands then hop on the HE to go to Hogwarts.

And as far as I know, King's Cross will not dump out into Diagon Alley. It will bring you out along the waterfront/London/USF proper. You will then have to option to enter Diagon Alley as long as it's not at capacity.

 

[IzzyB]

the only flaw in this example is that you are figuring that the family has no interest in going back to Universal Studios? Why? What made them change their mind? Not being able to go on HE? I don't think that would stop a families plan of going to both parks.

They could have already done everything in Studios they wanted to do. It is bad business practice to force people into getting a 2 park pass. Other examples are people who have x amount of money and realize that one of their two days they have to buy the more expensive pass just to ride HE. They don't have the money for this, so instead they decide to combine both parks in one day. There are so many scenarios that do not work in Uni's best interest to allow only 2 park passes onto HE. Uni would rather have a guest buy two one park passes and spend two days in the parks, than buy one 2-park pass and spend only one day in both parks. And while this scenario would not play out at first because both parks will be too busy to do two parks in one day, that will change over time and in slower parts of the season. They don't want to risk ever losing that money.

 

[wizwit]

Someone over on the Harry Potter thread just posted that they've received email confirmation from Universal that Hogwarts Express voyages will only be available to those who hold 2-park tickets.

 

[Nitro_230]

The e-mail says that you can travel between the parks on the HE with a two park ticket, yes.

It doesn't exclude being able to ride it round trip (Hence not going into two parks).

That being said I have heard the two park thing more and more.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

The e-mail says that you can travel between the parks on the HE with a two park ticket, yes.

It doesn't exclude being able to ride it round trip (Hence not going into two parks).

That being said I have heard the two park thing more and more.

It would take up WAY TOO much time to have to check riders tickets ON the ride in order to let them exit the ride or make them ride round trip. I would think you either get on the Hogwarts express with a two park ticket or you don't get on at all. You COULD have a round trip section only on the train but this is just making things more complicated IMO. Its easier to check tickets before they even get in the line. You either ride or you don't. THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION HONESTLY. I think there's going to be issues with this no matter how it is handled.

 

[Nitro_230]

No matter what it involves turnstiles not checking tickets on the train.

 

[IzzyB]

Logistically it is the same if you do or do not allow 1 park passes on the train.

You either have turnstiles coming into the queue of HE or you have turnstiles at the end of the train ride going into the land. You also will have the same amount of confusion either way. Why can't I ride a ride that is in the park I paid to get into, or why can't I just stay here, I never really left the park.

So either way guests will be confused and either way the logistics is the same. So in the end the decision will be a business decision or a capacity decision. It won't be based on logistics or communication issues.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I see what you are saying now. I didn't think of it this way. So you would exit the ride, and then have to go through another set of turnstiles before you actually "enter" the other park. No 2 park ticket? then you have to get in line for the train again. This is actually not that bad. This way you would not have to check tickets of any kind before entering the ride for the first time in either park. Everything is done after you exit the ride. and since a predetermined amount of people will be exiting the ride per given time, it would be easy logistically to handle the number of people that need tickets to be checked once they are off the ride... interesting.

This seems to be the best solution yet if I am understanding correctly.

Of course you will the dumb tourists who will be surprised when they have to get back in a line again to ride the same ride (in their mind, I know the experience is rumored to be different depending on which way you are going). Or maybe they won't have to wait in the regular line and there will be a separate shorter line for returning passengers.

 

[sierrak5]

I think they will be ok as long as it's treated more as transportation then as an attraction.

Simple advertising like "Want to experience all the Wizarding World has to offer? Upgrade to a 2-park ticket today!" would help get the point across.

There will be clueless people no matter what, but there are lots of ways to get the point across. You could even think of it as an "upcharge" attraction in a sense.

 

[rhino4evr]

I think they will be ok as long as it's treated more as transportation then as an attraction.

Simple advertising like "Want to experience all the Wizarding World has to offer? Upgrade to a 2-park ticket today!" would help get the point across.

There will be clueless people no matter what, but there are lots of ways to get the point across. You could even think of it as an "upcharge" attraction in a sense.

This is exactly my thinking...the theme park geeks like us will know that this is no ordinary train..the casual public will just see it as a means of transportation if you have a two park ticket.

I am positive that every cashier will be trying to upsell the experience to buy the two park pass.

Saying it causes the same confusion is incorrect. People will definitely be confused on why they will have to "re-ride" the train, instead of just staying on board and going round trip.

Keeping the HE as a two park pass is the smartest way to handle this new ride/transporation system.