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King Kong Speculation Thread

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It probably wouldn't because frozen is going to get WAY more recognition than kong even if it sucks. It's best that these openings are as far away as possible
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Frozen and Kong are going after two different crowds, so I don't think there is really a comparison here. My daughter is going to love Frozen and make us ride it, she will ride Kong, but won't ask for it and most likely it may scare her. Not sure until we ride it.

While my husband and I will very much enjoy Kong and well probably not Frozen so much.
 
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It probably wouldn't because frozen is going to get WAY more recognition than kong even if it sucks. It's best that these openings are as far away as possible
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Two completely different crowds. They're not competing for the same people with these two. Now if they were opening a Seuss attraction around the same time...different story.
 
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Two different crowds yes but when it comes to advertising and attention there isn't a competition. All eyes will be on the brand new frozen Disney ride not the brand new King Kong universal ride. Of frozen came out in different seasons then absolutely this won't effect anything whatsoever but if they came out in the same month or so...yikes. Best case sinario is kong comes months after frozen. If the new frozen ride is as bad as everybody says it's going to be, with a giant negative outcome and complaints. That new state of the art kong attraction will look pretty good next to it
 
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Universal has nothing to worry about.....anyone with half a brain can see that Universal is currently light years ahead of Disney when it comes to pricing, customer service, attraction quality, and overall in-park experience. The current smile ratio for employees is about 20-1 in favor of Universal.
 
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Two different crowds yes but when it comes to advertising and attention there isn't a competition. All eyes will be on the brand new frozen Disney ride not the brand new King Kong universal ride. Of frozen came out in different seasons then absolutely this won't effect anything whatsoever but if they came out in the same month or so...yikes. Best case sinario is kong comes months after frozen. If the new frozen ride is as bad as everybody says it's going to be, with a giant negative outcome and complaints. That new state of the art kong attraction will look pretty good next to it
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Except for the people that could not care any less about Frozen. Kong will be advertized more for a different crowd.
 
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Two different crowds yes but when it comes to advertising and attention there isn't a competition. All eyes will be on the brand new frozen Disney ride not the brand new King Kong universal ride. Of frozen came out in different seasons then absolutely this won't effect anything whatsoever but if they came out in the same month or so...yikes. Best case sinario is kong comes months after frozen. If the new frozen ride is as bad as everybody says it's going to be, with a giant negative outcome and complaints. That new state of the art kong attraction will look pretty good next to it
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It will look good next to it no matter what.
 
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natespf said:
Except for the people that could not care any less about Frozen. Kong will be advertized more for a different crowd.
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But what crowd though? Adults? Teens? Boys? Most adults,teens and boys like frozen too. Kong is based off a movie that came out in 2005 and while kong is timeless it certainty isn't brand new, so the general public might just look at it and say "I remember that" instead of based off the new hit movie King Kong!!! Most have forgotten about this movie, it's kinda like releasing revenge of the mummy or shrek 4D right now. I'm just saying they're two different beasts but the marshmallow is definitely bigger than the ape at this point in time

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It will look good next to it no matter what.
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I'm sure it will but when it comes to the attention of the average joe who only looks for new, possibly not
 
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But what crowd though?
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Universal's core audience. Yes, Frozen was a hit for a diverse crowd but that does not mean they will all be interested in a ride rethemed to that IP.
 
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Universal's core audience. Yes, Frozen was a hit for a diverse crowd but that does not mean they will all be interested in a ride rethemed to that IP.
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I definitely think they would. Fanbases are hysterical over their favorite properties (frozen meet and greet lines and gringotts opening weeks) if Disney made a little mermaid ride a couple years after it came out there would be riots to get in. Same case
 
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But what crowd though? Adults? Teens? Boys? Most adults,teens and boys like frozen too.
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I think you're overstating when you say "most".
 
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mainejeff said:
Universal has nothing to worry about.....anyone with half a brain can see that Universal is currently light years ahead of Disney when it comes to pricing, customer service, attraction quality, and overall in-park experience. The current smile ratio for employees is about 20-1 in favor of Universal.
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I disagree with this. The only thing Universal has over Disney is it's recent state of the art attractions, and it's appeal to older kids and youg adults. Disney wins on all other fronts. Pricing is about equal. Not to say Universal has poor customer service or a "bad" in park experience. It's just not on Disney level..at least not yet. They are working real hard ot make it a resort..but it's still not quite there.

Also...if you notice a lot of people don't have half a brain.

Now on to the other arguement. The Frozen ride will be much more popular due to it catering to the largest theme park crowd (Young Families)..and it's also one of the most succesful films of all times.

Kong with have it's audience, and it will without question be the more advanced and thrilling ride...but do people really care about Kong as much as Frozen? Not at the moment.

Maybe the film "Skull Island" will change that, but I doubt it.

Still comparing the two is apples/oranges as discussed. Now a new Lorax ride vs a new Frozen ride is a better battle (but Frozen still wins)
 
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I disagree with this. The only thing Universal has over Disney is it's recent state of the art attractions, and it's appeal to older kids and youg adults. Disney wins on all other fronts. Pricing is about equal. Not to say Universal has poor customer service or a "bad" in park experience. It's just not on Disney level..at least not yet. They are working real hard ot make it a resort..but it's still not quite there.

Also...if you notice a lot of people don't have half a brain.

Now on to the other arguement. The Frozen ride will be much more popular due to it catering to the largest theme park crowd (Young Families)..and it's also one of the most succesful films of all times.

Kong with have it's audience, and it will without question be the more advanced and thrilling ride...but do people really care about Kong as much as Frozen? Not at the moment.

Maybe the film "Skull Island" will change that, but I doubt it.

Still comparing the two is apples/oranges as discussed. Now a new Lorax ride vs a new Frozen ride is a better battle (but Frozen still wins)
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I agree with the second half of what you said. I let our Disney AP's expire because I simply didn't feel like we were getting a good deal with them, and I feel exactly the opposite about Universal and have been contemplating upgrading us all to the Premiere Pass. There is a lot more to this statement, but I don't want to go down another tiresome rant in another thread where it doesn't belong.

Skull Island is going to hopefully bring a whole lot of relevance to Kong, and if it works could lead to an interesting new business model where a planned A list property has a theme park attraction open nearly alongside the movie. It would generally be a huge gamble, but if it pays off could be a major boon to both sides.
 
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I agree with the second half of what you said. I let our Disney AP's expire because I simply didn't feel like we were getting a good deal with them, and I feel exactly the opposite about Universal and have been contemplating upgrading us all to the Premiere Pass. There is a lot more to this statement, but I don't want to go down another tiresome rant in another thread where it doesn't belong.

Skull Island is going to hopefully bring a whole lot of relevance to Kong, and if it works could lead to an interesting new business model where a planned A list property has a theme park attraction open nearly alongside the movie. It would generally be a huge gamble, but if it pays off could be a major boon to both sides.
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A lot of people on here feel the same as you as do many families with teens or thrill seekers. However he s right, Disney has something that Uni hasn't matched yet. They are trying very hard and will some day. Uni knows what they need to do and are doing it. With more family rides that all ages can ride. The older and younger crowd need things for them to do before Uni can completely compete with Disney. They also need to improve customer service. While Uni is not bad, it can be better. I dealt with customer service a ton when my son was alive and I can say that Uni was not as good. Surprisingly Sea World had the best. They also had the best first aid, because Disney is also not perfect in this area and their first aid was just not good at times.

Disney makes people feel special with many of their experiences. People may laugh at the meet n greets, their added scavenger like games, and bibidi thingy. But those things actually make a child feel special. Those things add the extra value to the park and really something to the family experience. But Uni is starting to do more stuff like this too.

Trust me, I used to go to the parks a ton. I am pretty sure in the one year I probably went to one of the parks (SW, Uni, DW) about 60+ times in one year. I also talk to a ton of people, I tend to be a more social person. Plus people always come up and talk with people with young kids. I have no clue what that is all about but people always would start talking to my daughter. People were also curious about my son and would ask questions. The feeling people have is that Uni is not for them. They are not roller coaster people, not thrill seekers, have kids too young, parents who are too old, etc. Even though they have done a fantastic job with theming with the new areas, I have even heard from some people that they don't feel as immersed as they do with Disney.

So basically Uni needs to change the parks (they are fully in the process of doing this) and then figure out a way to get people to try their parks. Each time they open a new IP based ride they actually manage to bring some new people in. So they are also working on this. But it will take time.

As an AP holder, I find value in all three park passes. But I love what uni has to offer that is new, but I love watching my daughters face light up in Disney. Sea World has amazing holiday events.
 
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JungleSkip said:
I think you're overstating when you say "most".
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I wouldn't say most, but I would definitely say "many". Frozen has a lot of cross-over appeal, which is very surprising for a film of it's genre.
 
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Kong will be competing with expanded/new film Soarin' and Frozen.
 
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Cole said:
I definitely think they would. Fanbases are hysterical over their favorite properties (frozen meet and greet lines and gringotts opening weeks) if Disney made a little mermaid ride a couple years after it came out there would be riots to get in. Same case
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Disagree. Frozen is getting overblown treatment. Since the movie came out, Disney is still pushing Frozen down people's throat to the point, its getting old and annoying. I know kids who when the movie is played leave the room and would rather do homework then sit through it again. There is only so much Frozen people can take by the time the ride comes out people will either be sick of it to death to the point they will welcome anything non frozen related.

Would Kong bring the same crowds into Universal? Probably not but then again who wants to be around little girls and their overbearing push to shove parents who powerwalk through the parks to stand in line for 3 hours just to take a pic with a person in a costume? Ain't nobody got time for that
 
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I disagree with this. The only thing Universal has over Disney is it's recent state of the art attractions, and it's appeal to older kids and youg adults. Disney wins on all other fronts. Pricing is about equal. Not to say Universal has poor customer service or a "bad" in park experience. It's just not on Disney level..at least not yet. They are working real hard ot make it a resort..but it's still not quite there.
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I just spent a week experiencing both properties multiple times.....pricing is NOT equal! For $19.99 + tax at Universal......I got a great meal with ribs, potatoes and corn on the cob, 2 pear ciders, and 2 scoops of ice cream in a waffle cone........Disney didn't come close to food quality or price at comparable establishments. And don't even talk to me about "customer service" at Disney. If you don't have a child in tow........many cast members won't even give you the time of day. Many were too busy talking to each other........the others were too busy screaming "fill in all of the available space".....even when there was none available.

I'll give Disney credit for 2 things.......I thought that the new 7 Dwarfs Mine Train was really well done and a great family ride. And the ice cream shop on Main Street was very efficient and gave a nice large serving at a reasonable price. Otherwise......meh.
 
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It's just not on Disney level..
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What does that even mean anymore?

I think of Kong as more of a needed addition to capacity for IOA and to break up the line of water rides that plague the park..People are already coming to Universal because of Potter and other things...Kong will be a nice surprise for guests..Frozen is a last ditch effort to capitalize on a successful property..it will not add capacity and will not satisfy the customer (if the ride has the budget I'm hearing around the internets)..

Universal is concerned with expanding
Disney is concerned with capitalizing

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What does that even mean anymore?

I think of Kong as more of a needed addition to capacity for IOA and to break up the line of water rides that plague the park..People are already coming to Universal because of Potter and other things...Kong will be a nice surprise for guests..Frozen is a last ditch effort to capitalize on a successful property..it will not add capacity and will not satisfy the customer (if the ride has the budget I'm hearing around the internets)..

Universal is concerned with expanding
Disney is concerned with capitalizing

apples and oranges
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Universal and Disney are both capitalizing. Don't kid yourself.

Disney is a world onto itself. It's a resort, where you live and breath nothing but Disney. I've been twice in the past year and both times I was overwhelmed by the service at their resorts, parks, even their parking toll booths. The parks are generally spotless considering the amount of people occupying them. The Disney has more activities and attractions going in one day then Universal has in a whole week.

It is apples and oranges. As many high tech rides they add, and resorts they build, UOR still doesn't have come close to what Disney offers their guests in terms of resort immersiveness. Now like I said, that's changing, and they are trying, but they aren't there yet. And anyone that disagrees is more of a universal fanboy then most of the "pixie" snorters you all complain about.

ALSO I would argue both parks have overpriced/mediocre food, but I'm glad you enjoyed your dinner.
 
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Universal and Disney are both capitalizing. Don't kid yourself.

Disney is a world onto itself. It's a resort, where you live and breath nothing but Disney. I've been twice in the past year and both times I was overwhelmed by the service at their resorts, parks, even their parking toll booths. The parks are generally spotless considering the amount of people occupying them. The Disney has more activities and attractions going in one day then Universal has in a whole week.

It is apples and oranges. As many high tech rides they add, and resorts they build, UOR still doesn't have come close to what Disney offers their guests in terms of resort immersiveness. Now like I said, that's changing, and they are trying, but they aren't there yet. And anyone that disagrees is more of a universal fanboy then most of the "pixie" snorters you all complain about.

ALSO I would argue both parks have overpriced/mediocre food, but I'm glad you enjoyed your dinner.
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What does any of this have to do with King Kong? Nothing. Okay.

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