MSHI Expansion? | Page 114 | Inside Universal Forums
Inside Universal Forums
Inside Universal Forums
  • Home
  • Forums
    New posts Search forums Account Upgrades
  • News
    Universal Studios Hollywood Universal Orlando Universal Studios Japan Universal Studios Singapore Universal Studios Beijing
  • Merchandise
Log in Register
What's new Search

Search

By:
  • New posts
  • Search forums
  • Account Upgrades
Menu
Log in

Register

Install the app
  • Signing up for a Premium Membership is a donation to help Inside Universal maintain costs and offers an ad-free experience on the forum. Learn more about it here.
  • Forums
  • Universal Parks & Resorts
  • Universal Orlando Resort
  • Islands of Adventure
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.

MSHI Expansion?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Nick
  • Start date Start date Jul 11, 2014
Prev
  • 1
  • …

    Go to page

  • 112
  • 113
  • 114
  • 115
  • 116
  • …

    Go to page

  • 139
Next
First Prev 114 of 139

Go to page

Next Last
Scott W.

Scott W.

Superstar
Joined
Feb 26, 2014
Messages
14,279
Location
Glasgow
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,261
LintemuthStudios said:
Google =/= actual interest. Box office numbers do.
Click to expand...

Avatar...

My point about all this isn't necessarily about what is more popular right now, it's about the fact that Star Wars has been a significant part of pop culture for more than 40 years and every generation is aware of it's existence.

For superheros, the most well known are probably; Superman, Batman and Spider-Man.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Attraction Ideas, Coolbfitz and natespf
Legacy

Legacy

Superstar
Joined
Jul 27, 2015
Messages
10,542
Age
41
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,262
natespf said:
View attachment 9475
Click to expand...
There's an "issue" with this comparison. Apart from not actually meaning anything.

A not insignificant number of people don't refer to Avenger movies as "Avengers," apart from the first one. They're colloquially referred to by their sub-title. So a search for "avengers" ignores people who JUST search "Ultron," "Infinity War," or "Endgame." It ALSO ignores individual character searches that comprise the Avengers themselves.

A far fewer number do that for Star Wars. Rogue One and Solo are googled on a equal playing field to New Hope, Last Jedi and the prequels. Star Wars is Star Wars is Star Trek is Star Wars.

Oh, AND you have people who input star wars but mean star "treck."
 
  • Like
Reactions: CyborgDinosaur and SeventyOne
UniversalRBLX

UniversalRBLX

Time Traveler
Joined
Nov 3, 2015
Messages
7,604
Location
Cabana Bae
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,263
I think Disney has had issues introducing Marvel throughout their parks (not including WDW because of their situation) because they just don't know what to do. They are not sure if to go the "timeless" route like MSHI with no name actors or spend that extra $ to get the actual actors.

Schedule has also kinda taken a toll on Marvel. When DCA started its evolution plan, the MCU really didn't kick-off until 2012 with the introduction of the first Avengers film. By then DCA had just spent a billion dollars on adding Cars Land and other things. After that, Disney bought Star Wars and at that time it was their "big" IP that Iger immediately wanted to introduce into the parks in a huge fashion. After SWL we are finally getting something Avengers related, which I think will do well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: natespf, Parkscope Joe and SeventyOne
kingmantis

kingmantis

Shark Bait
Joined
Mar 31, 2017
Messages
143
Age
31
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,264
It's also probably worth looking at the development timeline as well. Disney bought Star Wars in 2012 under the pretense that Star Wars is one of the most lucrative brands in the world. Star Wars was an evergreen property and proved it's power for 30+ years, while there was properly concern for Marvel's timelessness, whether superheroes were a fad, etc. Also, while the Avengers hit big, Disney still didn't have access to some of the biggest properties like Spider-Man or the X-Men, both in film and in theme parks. So, there was probably the decision to go with the safer choice first in Galaxy's Edge, a proven brand they had full control over, and wait and see if Marvel had the staying power to justify navigating the rights.

In 2015, it seemed like they were right; Force Awakens was the highest grossing domestic movie of all time (unadjusted) and top five worldwide. That same year, Ultron was successful but failed to outgross the first Avengers movie. At the time, it looked like Marvel found its ceiling, while for Star Wars the sky was the limit. Fast forward to today, the situation is obviously completely reversed. Endgame is on track to be the biggest movie ever, while Star Wars, still popular, shows its not infallible with Solo flopping and an inability to penetrate certain international markets like Asia.

I don't really blame Disney for prioritizing Star Wars in the parks, as they were just working with the safer option at the time. Like, who really thought Star Wars of all things would be supplanted in popularity in less than three years?

Bringing it back to MSHI, Universal has like zero incentive to add anything to the land. The merch in the gift shops will sell anyway thanks to the popularity of the MCU, so less upkeep and the rights payment every year, it's basically free money. Just like Disney, they most likely prefer to focus on in-house IPs or juggernaut brands NOT owned by a competing theme park down the street.
 
Last edited: May 1, 2019
  • Like
Reactions: Attraction Ideas, tielo, natespf and 2 others
Nick

Nick

Veteran Member
V.I.P. Member
Joined
Sep 22, 2011
Messages
31,224
Location
Orlando
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,265
LintemuthStudios said:
Google =/= actual interest. Box office numbers do.
Click to expand...
Box office tells me interest lies with Marvel.

(Oops, missed the graph to realize that was your point).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Magic-Man
jrn14

jrn14

Jurassic Ranger
Joined
Dec 21, 2016
Messages
1,342
Age
41
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,266
For those of you wanting a MSHI expansion.

 
SeventyOne

SeventyOne

Webslinger
Platinum Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2010
Messages
4,131
Location
Orlando
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,267
LintemuthStudios said:
Google =/= actual interest. Box office numbers do.
Click to expand...

If that were completely true, Avatar merch wouldn't be languishing in the outlet mall and Brother Bear, not The Little Mermaid, would be represented in 3 of the 4 Orlando parks. There's an ineffable quality that plays into which fads prove evergreen and which burn out without a trace. Right now I'd rather an Avengers attraction over a Star Wars one, but whose to say how either IP will be regarded by the general public in 5 years? Ultimately I think that's the danger of relying on IPs to theme rides that are supposed to last for decades.
 
  • Like
Reactions: therock, RevFreako, natespf and 2 others
JungleSkip

JungleSkip

Veteran Member
V.I.P. Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2010
Messages
22,245
Location
The Mushroom Kingdom
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,268
jrn14 said:
For those of you wanting a MSHI expansion.

Click to expand...


Never is a tricky word when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Hell I never thought we'd get a Nintendo theme park area.
 
  • Like
Reactions: truejonas, LJGonz, Cheezbat and 4 others
natespf

natespf

--Classified--
V.I.P. Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2013
Messages
1,653
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,269
natespf said:
View attachment 9475
Click to expand...
I guess I should note I wasn't trying to post this for more than it is. I just took a screenshot of what it shows because I though a written summery may come off as misleading. I'd be the first to point out that Google Trends is not conclusive but it is data. Not just that one average is higher than the three others combined, take note of the peaks which seem to be when movies came out. I say again not conclusive, it is data to be added to other data and the more you have the closer to the full picture. Yes, there are other variables involved. And that is true for both.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SeventyOne
Mike S

Mike S

Dragon Trainer
Joined
Dec 10, 2015
Messages
6,471
Age
31
Location
Florida
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,270
JungleSkip said:
Never is a tricky word when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Hell I never thought we'd get a Nintendo theme park area.
Click to expand...
Yeah if there’s nothing physically or legally stopping them I can’t see them sitting on Marvel. It’s going to expand.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jseal777
F

fryoj

Webslinger
V.I.P. Member
Joined
May 19, 2013
Messages
3,855
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,271
LintemuthStudios said:
Google =/= actual interest. Box office numbers do.
Click to expand...

Here's some box office numbers for you:

All Time Box Office Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation
 
  • Like
Reactions: Andysol
Magic-Man

Magic-Man

Dragon Trainer
Joined
Nov 7, 2016
Messages
6,465
Age
23
Location
Riding Lightning Rod
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,272
fryoj said:
Here's some box office numbers for you:

All Time Box Office Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation
Click to expand...

Gone with the Wind being at the top is a travesty.
 
Viator

Viator

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 23, 2013
Messages
23,382
Location
Seattle, WA!
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,273
fryoj said:
Here's some box office numbers for you:

All Time Box Office Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation
Click to expand...

Would people really want to count inflation as of the moment?
 
F

fryoj

Webslinger
V.I.P. Member
Joined
May 19, 2013
Messages
3,855
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,274
LintemuthStudios said:
Gone with the Wind being at the top is a travesty.
Click to expand...

AlexanderMBush said:
Would people really want to count inflation as of the moment?
Click to expand...

It's based on total tickets sold. There's 5 star wars movies in the top 25. Theres no super hero movies. The point being, if you want it to be all about box office, you have to have a true comparison. You can't say all of these avenger movies are in the top 10 and just leave it at that. Ticket prices these days are a lot higher than they used to be. It's not an accurate number.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Andysol, natespf and Mad Dog
Legacy

Legacy

Superstar
Joined
Jul 27, 2015
Messages
10,542
Age
41
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,275
fryoj said:
It's based on total tickets sold. There's 5 star wars movies in the top 25. Theres no super hero movies. The point being, if you want it to be all about box office, you have to have a true comparison. You can't say all of these avenger movies are in the top 10 and just leave it at that. Ticket prices these days are a lot higher than they used to be. It's not an accurate number.
Click to expand...
Yeah, but only one of those 5 (Force Awakens) received only one release. All the other ones received multiple releases, especially the original trilogy which is counting the Special Editions as the same film as the original.
 
  • Like
Reactions: truejonas, therock and CyborgDinosaur
Mad Dog

Mad Dog

Veteran Member
V.I.P. Member
Joined
Jan 30, 2013
Messages
23,811
Location
Pittsburgh area
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,276
fryoj said:
It's based on total tickets sold. There's 5 star wars movies in the top 25. Theres no super hero movies. The point being, if you want it to be all about box office, you have to have a true comparison. You can't say all of these avenger movies are in the top 10 and just leave it at that. Ticket prices these days are a lot higher than they used to be. It's not an accurate number.
Click to expand...
Yes. Tickets sold are the only true denominator. Ticket prices have changed, in a constant upward mode, over the years. Box office dollars, especially after many decades of inflation, are secondary to real attendance (tickets sold) as a true indicator. Older movies have an automatic disadvantage if comparing them to a present movie's dollar box office.
 
  • Like
Reactions: natespf
devinp267

devinp267

Jurassic Ranger
V.I.P. Member
Joined
Sep 15, 2015
Messages
1,555
Age
36
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,277
Mike S said:
Yeah if there’s nothing physically or legally stopping them I can’t see them sitting on Marvel. It’s going to expand.
Click to expand...
Just out of curiosity, i know they can expand but any idea of just how many hoops if any they have to jump through if they wanted to? Im sure a discussion has to be had?
 
Mike S

Mike S

Dragon Trainer
Joined
Dec 10, 2015
Messages
6,471
Age
31
Location
Florida
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,278
devinp267 said:
Just out of curiosity, i know they can expand but any idea of just how many hoops if any they have to jump through if they wanted to? Im sure a discussion has to be had?
Click to expand...
I remember people talking about something called the “Carnage Warehouse” that’s somewhere next to Doom.
 
Mike S

Mike S

Dragon Trainer
Joined
Dec 10, 2015
Messages
6,471
Age
31
Location
Florida
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,279
Mad Dog said:
Yes. Tickets sold are the only true denominator. Ticket prices have changed, in a constant upward mode, over the years. Box office dollars, especially after many decades of inflation, are secondary to real attendance (tickets sold) as a true indicator. Older movies have an automatic disadvantage if comparing them to a present movie's dollar box office.
Click to expand...
Modern movies also have a disadvantage due to the fact that we now have home media and older movies rotated in and out of theaters with that being the only way to see them. I suspect that’s why a movie like Gone with the Wind is so high.
 
devinp267

devinp267

Jurassic Ranger
V.I.P. Member
Joined
Sep 15, 2015
Messages
1,555
Age
36
  • May 1, 2019
  • #2,280
Mike S said:
I remember people talking about something called the “Carnage Warehouse” that’s somewhere next to Doom.
Click to expand...
Oops my bad, i was speaking in terms of the marvel contract..
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …

    Go to page

  • 112
  • 113
  • 114
  • 115
  • 116
  • …

    Go to page

  • 139
Next
First Prev 114 of 139

Go to page

Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.
Share:
Facebook X Bluesky LinkedIn Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email Share Link

Book with our Travel Partners

MEI Travel

Latest posts

  • F
    Hollywood Rip, Ride, Rockit (closing EOD August 17, 2025)
    • Latest: FlattestMatt
    • 13 minutes ago
    Universal Studios Florida
  • Ron101
    State of USH - What's Next?
    • Latest: Ron101
    • 20 minutes ago
    Miscellaneous Universal Studios Hollywood
  • AvoidTIMtation
    Harry Potter & The Battle at the Ministry - Reviews, Photos & Media
    • Latest: AvoidTIMtation
    • 21 minutes ago
    Epic Universe Reviews
  • rob@rar
    Universal Great Britain - Speculation & Rumors
    • Latest: rob@rar
    • Today at 6:56 AM
    Other Universal Parks & Resorts
  • Lucky Planet
    Blade
    • Latest: Lucky Planet
    • Today at 3:01 AM
    Games, Movies & Sports

Share this page

Facebook X Bluesky LinkedIn Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email Share Link
  • Forums
  • Universal Parks & Resorts
  • Universal Orlando Resort
  • Islands of Adventure
  • Style variation
    System Light Dark
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
  • RSS
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2025 XenForo Ltd.
  • This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Accept Learn more…
Back
Top