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Starbucks coming to WDW

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Calling it now:

MK: Main Street Bakery
Epcot: FountainView, The Land,
DHS: Starring Rolls
AK: Retrofitted location front of Discovery Island
 
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Nobody has brought this up and I'm not completely sold on the idea but I haven't out ruled the possibility of the Starbuck's going at TTC. I think it would get more traffic if it was in the park, but if it's at TTC it doesn't break any themes and it will still put up a lot of traffic due to to being on the way into the park.

And to a certain extent they can work the concept into most lands. They shoe-horned McDonald's fries into Frontierland...

EDIT: I just saw Ryan (Dr. Brown) had mentioned it prior to me. I think it's a potentially noteworthy point though.
 
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Nobody has brought this up and I'm not completely sold on the idea but I haven't out ruled the possibility of the Starbuck's going at TTC. I think it would get more traffic if it was in the park, but if it's at TTC it doesn't break any themes and it will still put up a lot of traffic due to to being on the way into the park.
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TTC gets less traffic than the parks. Everyone going to the TTC goes to the MK. Not everyone in the MK goes to the TTC.
 
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TTC gets less traffic than the parks. Everyone going to the TTC goes to the MK. Not everyone in the MK goes to the TTC.
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Yeah, that's the reason why I'm on the fence about it. I'm going to say this now, the first location will probably be on Main Street like everyone has said. When they do expansions they'll probably put one at Boardwalk, TTC, DTD and a couple more of the most trafficked resorts.
 
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Ya this is certainly good news...can't get enough Starbucks for sure...Curious to see the 'thematic' adaptions Disney implements to make it fit in with the rest of the parks..
 
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SeaWorld brews Starbucks coffee in the bakery at the front of the park. They just serve the basics, no frapps etc.
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Actually, I need to give the full story, sorry for being incomplete. I don't care about the regular coffee, as there is a better coffee out there. I am one of those dessert drink kind of guys.

So from that perspective I must say the SeaWorld/Starbucks coffee is more like a "Starbucks" endorsed thing. They don't offer the full Starbucks experience as I would like to see.
 
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MK- Probably Main Street, but I would love to see them put it in Liberty Square. Near Columbia Harbor House. I think that they could really play up the fact that Starbuck's is named after a character in Herman Melville's Moby Dick.

Epcot: FountainView

DHS: Sunset Blvd.

DAK: Where The Oasis meets Discovery Island
 
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Personally, I think adding Starbucks kinda dimishes the parks, but its definitely better then NesCafe.

I would imagine that all the resorts will also carry starbucks eventually. The Hotel Lobby Starbucks is very popular these days.

Get ready to spend twice as much for a cup of coffee at Disney!
 
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I mean having McDonald's fries and Edy's icecream in the parks kind of break the theme too.

And I think having a Cinnabon in IOA is a significantly worse thematic sin.
 
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I mean having McDonald's fries and Edy's icecream in the parks kind of break the theme too.

And I think having a Cinnabon in IOA is a significantly worse thematic sin.
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Never had a problem with any of these. As long as they're serving good food, go for it.
 
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Never had a problem with any of these. As long as they're serving good food, go for it.
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I'm with you on this one. If a flying Coke alien at UO/Coke car wash at Epcot, McD's fries, Dole and Edy's are okay, I can live with Starbucks as long as they theme it up appropriately, which I'm assuming they will.
 
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I'm with you on this one. If a flying Coke alien at UO/Coke car wash at Epcot, McD's fries, Dole and Edy's are okay, I can live with Starbucks as long as they theme it up appropriately, which I'm assuming they will.
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I seriously miss McD's fries in the parks.
 
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I seriously miss McD's fries in the parks.
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I miss CastOSaurus...before Aramark took a dump on it. Right behind MK is a McD's and there are two by DAK--one on property one where Sherbeth meets Colonial. But yea, I miss them, too :'(
 
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Never had a problem with any of these. As long as they're serving good food, go for it.
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Yeah, I really don't care I just think their is some mild hypocrisy involved with people thinking it ruins show at Disney but nobody has brought up the Cinnabon in Islands of Adventure kind of breaking the theme there.

I genuinely miss the Mc fries as well.
 
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I miss CastOSaurus...before Aramark took a dump on it. Right behind MK is a McD's and there are two by DAK--one on property one where Sherbeth meets Colonial. But yea, I miss them, too :'(
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Oh Aramark.:lol:

And yea, I know of the McD's right by property, but it was always nice to just grab some fries in park, especially at the Frontierland cart. they were always piping hot.:thumbs:
 
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I don't have a problem with Starbucks. I didn't really care for McDs being in the parks. The fry cart didn't bother me so much. But the full blown McDs called Buger Invasion at DCA really annoyed me. McDs is just sooo...umm....whatever. At least Starbucks aims a little higher.
 
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I meant to post this a few days ago in the DCA thread, but the existence of this new thread makes it much more pertinent. MiceChat wrote a lengthy column back on April 18 about the imminent arrival of Starbucks in the parks. What is most interesting of all, however, is how little the Starbucks corporation even wanted to approve the deal in the first place. Citing Disney Cast Member incompetence, Starbucks seems to not even have had a desire to have their name in the parks if the end product that would be served up is less than the quality their other branches strive for with rigorous training. There's also a bit as to a possibility of the real reason of the now infamously expensive moving of a tree at DCA.


From MiceChat

It's a question that a lot of you keep asking, just what is going on with the Starbucks deal for Disney's resorts. Here's the latest, the official announcement shouldn't be too far off at this point:

When Pigs Fly

The long saga of TDA executives trying to get Starbucks into the Anaheim parks is now over three years old, but it’s the closest to being public now than it’s ever been. After an initial deal fell apart in ’09, TDA has been doing a slow-motion dance with the Starbucks corporate team up in Seattle since 2011. Just as we’d reported back in ’09, the major sticking points still revolve around the training of Disney Cast Members who would be operating Starbucks’ equipment and using their proprietary materials and processes to create your drink.

The problem isn’t helped by some rather big egos on Disney’s part, with Disney’s negotiating teams made up of people who have very little or absolutely no experience with the front-line Cast Members working in the parks. Starbucks didn’t become one of the biggest business success stories of the last 25 years for nothing, and after sensing that the Disney team assigned to the deal didn’t really know what the in-park customer experience was like, Starbucks sent reconnaissance spies into Disneyland to observe how the Cast Members operate and behave when they are working the espresso machines at Disney’s existing park coffee shops.

The observations the Starbucks folks made and reported back to headquarters in Seattle were pretty discouraging, and it was clear to the Starbucks team that the Anaheim Cast Members had received very poor training, or no apparent training at all, on how to create a quality espresso drink. Disney had been approaching the training and operating of the espresso machines no differently than it approaches the operation of a deep fryer or a soft serve machine. And as the coffee culture grew over the last 20 years more and more Disneyland visitors can no longer stomach the coffee flavored swill served to them, especially the more demanding tourists from the Pacific Northwest where coffee is king and a badly made Latte can be spotted from 10 feet.

It doesn’t help that the Foods division at Disneyland suffers from one of the highest turnover rates of all theme park departments with the very youngest CM’s hired in at 17. The front-line leadership at the smaller locations with an espresso machine is often just 6 to 8 months out of their orientation day by the time they are supervising these Disneyland locations (often before they’ve graduated from high school). Disney’s restaurant leadership is so green that it’s not unusual for the HR team to scramble with newly minted salaried restaurant managers at the Disneyland Resort because they aren’t yet 21 and legally can’t manage the DCA restaurants that serve alcohol.

Compared to the dramatically lower turnover rate at the average Starbucks (how long has your favorite barista worked at your local store?), and Starbucks’ near-religious approach to their expert training and sharp corporate culture, the poorly trained front-line Disneyland Cast Members and the weak supervision that TDA provides for them were a constant stumbling block to getting a deal done between Starbucks and Disneyland.


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But with Starbucks willing to jump through hoops to provide the right training to the bumbling yet pompous Disneyland team, the deal has been falling in to place over this past winter. With an unusually dramatic flair, the plan to bring Starbucks to Disney property in Anaheim was given a top-secret code name back in 2011, dubbed “Project Orange”. Although the word on just exactly what Project Orange is up to has been spreading quickly through Anaheim’s Food & Beverage team in recent weeks.

The first in-park Starbucks is now slated to open this June on Buena Vista Street with the re-launched Disney California Adventure. Starbucks will take up residence in the Fiddler, Fifer and Practical Café, as an odd hybrid of a regular Starbucks and a Disney-run operation. While the Fiddler, Fifer and Practical Café (dubbed the Pig Café by Anaheim’s Foods group) will maintain all the great 1920’s theming and architecture already shown to the public, subtle Starbucks logos in rubbed brass and period-appropriate signage will be added near the entrance doors. It won’t scream Starbucks with green awnings and bright logos like your neighborhood location, but once anyone gets within sight of the front door they’ll be able to spot the logo and tell that it’s a Starbucks. (Now you know why Bob Iger decreed that the huge tree already planted in front of the Pig Café be moved over a few feet at big expense, as he knows this new corporate alliance needs to go well and the subtle Starbucks logos can’t be too hidden.)

Once inside the Pig Café, the restaurant will operate like a traditional Starbucks during the morning hours just after the park opens. It’s at that time of day that the four separate espresso machines each staffed by a Starbucks-trained barista will be going full blast (where most of Starbucks’ “big” stores only have two machines), and the refrigerated cases near the front will offer a selection of Starbucks own grab-n-go breakfast and pastry items. Later in the day the location will switch over solely to a Disney created menu for lunch and dinner options, while Starbucks espresso drinks will still be offered through park closing. Over a hundred seats at a few dozen tables inside and out at the Pig Café should soak up most of the lunch and dinner crowd, although it’s expected that the morning business will be mostly to-go orders as people stream into the park and head to Cars Land with their Venti Latte and Danish.

While DCA jumps head first into the theme park Starbucks business, neither TDA nor Burbank thinks it should end there. The refurbished food locations on Main Street USA at Disneyland are also in the sights of TDA’s Project Orange team for the future, but the Pig Café location will be the first to open this June. Starbucks, for their part, is more hesitant and will be keeping a close eye on the Pig Café this June to make sure their product is being served correctly before they agree to more theme park locations. - Al
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Thanks for the insightful post BJ!
 
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So how does this effect the Starbucks stores in Universal? It doesn't sound like their is any exclusivity in this deal so I guess Universal is okay here?
 
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Scarletwebslingr said:
I miss CastOSaurus...before Aramark took a dump on it. Right behind MK is a McD's and there are two by DAK--one on property one where Sherbeth meets Colonial. But yea, I miss them, too :'(
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It's still there, there just isn't any reason for me to walk from Dinosaur to there on my lunch break when a sandwich I made two days prior tastes better than the stuff they try to sell me.

The McD's on property takes cast discount. :thumbs:

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So how does this effect the Starbucks stores in Universal? It doesn't sound like their is any exclusivity in this deal so I guess Universal is okay here?
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Shouldn't at all. Don't think Starbucks would sign an exclusivity deal when they could maximize profit.
 
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