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The Bourne Stuntacular - General Discussion

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Clive said:
Right, so it begs the question -- what's different?

1) More immediately recognizable and/or appealing IP - I'd wager more people know what Terminator is versus Bourne, in part because it has several iconic images between the "Terminator skeleton," the T-1000, and Arnold; Bourne does not have an iconic image that immediately grabs the average guest or connects them to the IP, in part because they can't use Matt Damon's likeness
2) Prominence in resort marketing - Terminator frequently made flashy appearances in Universal print and filmed media (again, with iconic images; Bourne lacks these); this was in part because it was a headlining addition in the mid 1990s
3) Easier for guests to plan/find showtimes - As I recall, Terminator more or less ran continuously for, say, the first decade of its run? As popularity waned, they pivoted to frequent showtimes, which were handily featured on park maps (as we've just seen)
4) Different park flow/attraction mix - Pre-Diagon, guests moved throughout the park differently. Back to the Future used to be a weenie, and for a time, Men in Black was the biggest/newest ride. All of these factors pulled guests to the right, where they were more likely to encounter the (IMO) more prominent and eyecatching attraction signage. There was also a greater emphasis on shows over rides during Terminator 2's peak years.
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T2 was much better
 
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I think a few targeted tweaks would go a long way. Updating the presentation and giving it a new name would be a strong start.
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The entrance doesn’t say much, I think they could rework it to stand out and say “it’s an attraction”. Horror Make Up entrance looks like a show.
 
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Parkscope Joe said:
The entrance doesn’t say much, I think they could rework it to stand out and say “it’s an attraction”. Horror Make Up entrance looks like a show.
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This is a big reason I think. The entrance to Bourne looks like an entrance for restrooms
 
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Personally I think it’s the IP.

I don’t think people care enough to go out and watch this show even though it’s get high praise.

If your main demographic is not invested then that’s a recipe for a disaster.
 
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I think a grandeur entry sign would do wonders, a traditional art deco marquee would be great.

I'd also get rid of the unnecessarily long preshow. Trim it down to a 1-2 minute best of Jason Bourne reel and safety info. The preshow doesn't start until the designated showtime, and the show doesn't start until~15 minutes after the posted showtime?
 
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I love this show but, man, that pre-show with those video screens floating around behind that woman is just brutal. :lmao:
 
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OrlLover said:
Personally I think it’s the IP.

I don’t think people care enough to go out and watch this show even though it’s get high praise.

If your main demographic is not invested then that’s a recipe for a disaster.
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I dunno if I agree, there's plenty of attractions with lackluster IP that draw guests. See: WaterWorld, Tron, etc.
 
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Parkscope Joe said:
I dunno if I agree, there's plenty of attractions with lackluster IP that draw guests. See: WaterWorld, Tron, etc.
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I like this point, because your examples actually highlight some of the issues. Tron is a large, brightly lit/colored coaster that serves a second weenie in Tomorrowland. WaterWorld is a loud, open-air stunt show you can hear outside its venue. In both of those, have a sense of exactly what they are without getting in line. They trigger curiosity and interest despite their IPs.

Bourne looks like nothing. It can only rely on its signage and the IP to actually draw attention to it. T2:3D was more engaging IP with a better sign. Honestly, Bourne could probably do with a large screen over the entrance with a splash video of what the attraction is.
 
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Parkscope Joe said:
I dunno if I agree, there's plenty of attractions with lackluster IP that draw guests. See: WaterWorld, Tron, etc.
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Tron isn’t a good example because it’s a thrill ride in sea of more family friendly attractions.

What is the primary demographic for Bourne?

I think Universal’s usual crowd doesn’t care for that IP. Terminator is the complete opposite were as that a very hot and popular movie at the time that works those usually frequent USF.
 
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Legacy said:
Bourne looks like nothing. It can only rely on its signage and the IP to actually draw attention to it. T2:3D was more engaging IP with a better sign. Honestly, Bourne could probably do with a large screen over the entrance with a splash video of what the attraction is.
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I was thinking helicopter with dude hanging off it on the left and car chase on the right, but yeah a giant SCREENZ would work too.
 
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Skold said:
I love this show but, man, that pre-show with those video screens floating around behind that woman is just brutal. :lmao:
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Agreed, the more you watch and realize how they filmed it (badly) the worse it gets.

I don't know if this franchise would be considered too violent, but I think other than Bond, the only other popular IP I could see going in right now is John Wick
 
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ChrisFL said:
Agreed, the more you watch and realize how they filmed it (badly) the worse it gets.

I don't know if this franchise would be considered too violent, but I think other than Bond, the only other popular IP I could see going in right now is John Wick
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Maybe Mission Impossible? It's more evergreen than Bourne at least.
 
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Here is something else that could be hurting this attraction, the park is open until nine and the last show is at 5:30.

could be due to low Guest demand, but in return it does not help attendance/reputation when the attraction is closed 3 1/2 hours before the rest of the park

Pretty certain that on non-peak days Terminator would stay open until 7 PM. Running continuous shows all day. On peak nights will go with the rest of the park until close

 
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Jwhee said:
Here is something else that could be hurting this attraction, the park is open until nine and the last show is at 5:30.

could be due to low Guest demand, but in return it does not help attendance/reputation when the attraction is closed 3 1/2 hours before the rest of the park

Pretty certain that on non-peak days Terminator would stay open until 7 PM. Running continuous shows all day. On peak nights will go with the rest of the park until close

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11:15 is kind of early for that type of attraction, especially since USF doesn't open until 10:00 AM now. Perhaps move that early show to 6:30 PM and that's a partial solution.
 
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Putting a significant attraction into the DreamWorks area would draw more people to that side of the park and get more foot traffic moving past the entrance. As would replacing Springfield with something notable.

Couple either/both of those with a more dynamic marquee on the facade, and maybe some more attraction-specific "Bourne Stuntacular" iconography/graphics along the moving walkways from the parking garages to CityWalk.
 
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Parkscope Joe said:
I was thinking helicopter with dude hanging off it on the left and car chase on the right, but yeah a giant SCREENZ would work too.
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I hate using the K word, but something like this with some light kinetics like a spinning rotor on the back of the helo would be perfect.

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could be due to low Guest demand, but in return it does not help attendance/reputation when the attraction is closed 3 1/2 hours before the rest of the park
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This schedule is 100% so they can cover daily ops with a single shift. Agree that shifting the early show to the end of the day would probably help.
 
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HandsomePete said:
This schedule is 100% so they can cover daily ops with a single shift. Agree that shifting the early show to the end of the day would probably help.
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I don't believe T2 used any stunt performers, so that might be the limiting factor here.
 
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Parkscope Joe said:
I don't believe T2 used any stunt performers, so that might be the limiting factor here.
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The Conners coming in from the ceiling down the rope wasn't a stunt? (Genuinely asking, not sure how they classified that or the motorcycle.) I'm not sure they had an armory in the way Bourne does, so that could be a contributing factor.
 
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Clive said:
The Conners coming in from the ceiling down the rope wasn't a stunt? (Genuinely asking, not sure how they classified that or the motorcycle.) I'm not sure they had an armory in the way Bourne does, so that could be a contributing factor.
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It had a much smaller armory, but did have one, for the Terminators shot gun

From what I understand, they were stunt performers under entertainment and not ops. But they were not a third-party like action horizons is with Bourne
 
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Jwhee said:
It had a much smaller armory, but did have one, for the Terminators shot gun

From what I understand, they were stunt performers under entertainment and not ops. But they were not a third-party like action horizons is with Bourne
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Ahh yeah, I believe that is the distinction. This is also why Waterworld also has weirdly limited showtimes sometimes.
 
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