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Universal Orlando Resort to Epic Universe Transportation News & Speculation

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  • Thursday at 3:11 PM
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I honestly think even if they continue with this, it will fail spectacularly. And even if it manages to reach completion, it won’t be super beneficial to the campuses, and they’ll still need to spend a lot of money on an actual transportation system.
 
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People are like, "the water table is too high to build tunnels in Florida".

They built a tunnel under the English Channel. Nothing is impossible.

That said, they will have to use trains not Teslas to accommodate the volume. And at that point isn't it just a high tech subway?
 
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Apparently the Vegas loop operates at a "peak of 4,500 passengers per hour" with the current Tesla vehicles. (I'd imagine that's with full vehicles.) Not sure if this has been independently verified.
 
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Disneyhead said:
People are like, "the water table is too high to build tunnels in Florida".

They built a tunnel under the English Channel. Nothing is impossible.

That said, they will have to use trains not Teslas to accommodate the volume. And at that point isn't it just a high tech subway?
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Yeah, the whole "can't do tunnels in Florida" thing is just incorrect on many levels but people keep parroting because they don't want this tunnel.

By the time this would be done, I think they'll have some sort of tesla bus, or even just have the Universal electric busses go through it. They could either have stops at a few key locations, or just a main line that lets them surface at each end and use the surface streets there. At that point it would pull all of that bus traffic off, at least, Kirkman. I'd think that would be a good thing.

Of course there's the multi-billion dollar question of if it makes financial sense to do, or if it's better to just keep running busses up and down the road.
 
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  • Thursday at 7:15 PM
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There's a difference between "possible" and "smart". It's one of the key reasons the Fort Lauderdale loop fell through. And that was with The Boring Company being willing to pay for the entire project. Same goes for Miami's proposed loop. One of their key reasons it's been in limbo is the concerns of chronic flooding, porous limestone foundations, and its low elevation near sea level.

We can debate until we're blue in the face about whether it "can" be done. But time and time again, they've shown that they aren't serious about moving forward with these projects. They've been having discussions about loops for nearly a decade and out of 14 proposed tunnels, they've successfully opened one.

I mean, some of these discussions are straight up ending in The Boring Company ghosting interested cities. Bexar County/San Antonio got as far as selecting The Boring Company to build one and it ended with the company leaving them on read.

I'll be absolutely stunned if this moves past the negotiations stage.
 
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  • Thursday at 9:11 PM
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Hope it goes better than vegas, good luck with the limestone
www.propublica.org

Elon Musk’s Boring Co. Accused of Nearly 800 Environmental Violations on Las Vegas Project

Nevada could’ve fined the company more than $3 million, but regulators are seeking a reduced penalty of $242,800, citing an “extraordinary number of violations.”
www.propublica.org www.propublica.org
 
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RFRees said:
Apparently the Vegas loop operates at a "peak of 4,500 passengers per hour" with the current Tesla vehicles. (I'd imagine that's with full vehicles.) Not sure if this has been independently verified.
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That’s the whole system… passengers per hour per direction is around 1,000.

My guess is that the contract negotiations won’t go anywhere - only three companies responding to a basic request for qualifications suggests that firms don’t view it as a particularly feasible project.
 
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All politics aside running cars in tunnels is just silly and kills capacity for no good reason. Also they are less reliable than something on tracks. There is a reason cities worldwide use trains underground, and don't have small individual cabins.

Also more a question to locals: How bad is the current system actually? From my limited experience the current system is not perfect, but does its job. Let's also not forget that the current system is more flexible in terms of future expansion. Busses are relatively easy to add to a new hotel, a subway system is less flexible.
 
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None of this makes sense across the board on all levels, plan and simple.
 
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  • Yesterday at 8:05 PM
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I can easily see how the underground car model is appealing, however I am not sure it is economically feasible.

When it comes to just using busses you have to deal with traffic and we all know how annoying it can be. When on vacation time is a premium and just sitting in traffic can be frustrating. You also have to deal with a bunch of sweaty(it's Florida so that is a guarantee) and probably smelly peeps crammed in. Also when you comes to busses you usually have a wait til the next vehicle arrives which can be annoying.

Designated vehicle lanes would in theory solve the traffic, wait time between vehicles, and being crammed in with sweaty strangers. I don't know the area well but I imagine there will be some serious ROW constraints. I also wonder how it would affect utilities in area. Things like water lines and gas lines are kept outside of the roadway so they can be repaired without closing the road and having to do costly road work when a repair is needed. If you went elevated road construction would be a challenge. Roads and sidewalks would need to be closed for construction and would hurt near by businesses.

If you went with a mass transit system you would have construction issues mentioned above. You would also have to deal with longer intervals between arrivals of transit vehicles.

This system is needs to be designed for vacationers. Peeps on vacation have a much different expectation than those who would use public transit daily. In theory going underground would solve a lot of the issues I have brought up above. Going underground should have less of an impact in the construction process. There would be no outside interference so you could have a constant flow of vehicles. The American vacationers would like having the individual vehicles. I am not saying this is a perfect system but I can see why they would want to look further into it. The main thing I see in the boring company model I would like to see purpose built vehicles. Probably should make them at least able to hold 6 people so you can keep more families together.
 
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  • Yesterday at 9:09 PM
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DeadSexeh said:
The main thing I see in the boring company model I would like to see purpose built vehicles. Probably should make them at least able to hold 6 people so you can keep more families together.
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Oh come on, Tesla is definitely going to build the Robovan one day! Believe!
 
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  • Today at 8:31 AM
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AB2020 said:
Also more a question to locals: How bad is the current system actually? From my limited experience the current system is not perfect, but does its job. Let's also not forget that the current system is more flexible in terms of future expansion. Busses are relatively easy to add to a new hotel, a subway system is less flexible.
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I'd argue the system (if you can even call it that), barely works. Currently, it's comprised of public Lynx buses, privately chartered buses, rental cars and Taxis/Ubers.

There's essentially two very different people to tackle when it comes to Orlando's transportation: locals & tourists.

The tourist solution is relatively simple in my opinion. There's essentially 4 major "pockets" in Orlando that tourists tend to gravitates towards: North I-Drive (includes Universal), Vineland Outlets (lots of hotels in the area), WDW, and US 192 (outside of WDW). All we really need is a connector to and from the airport, a major hub, to these smaller hubs, and we can then provide a localized transportation system that connects everything within that smaller hub (mainly hotels and restaurants) and the major Orlando destinations - the parks. The I-Drive solution is easy as everything is up and down one long corridor. Hotels not directly on the street, are a mere 5-10 minute walk away.


The major issue to address is that the connection between Tampa and Orlando has reached it's capacity. Orlando, as a region, has grown beyond WDW and into the western areas of Orange County and Lake County (with only I4 and the Turnpike going completely around the large WDW property as it's only major connections). The counties and developers didn't care to think things through... so it's led to congestion and there's not much we can do there as you can't stick a highway through WDW property (they've planned on a Epcot Center Dr expansion all the way through to 429 that would help alleviate major congestion). Currently, we're receiving an expanded highway (as if that'll work) and eventually, the Brightline connector over to Tampa that may take a few cars off the road (it won't feel like that though as Florida's population boom will easily offset this).


I'd prioritize getting tourists off the streets first as that should be a quick and easy solution that most people (except Mears) would agree on.
 
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  • Today at 8:55 AM
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While Boring has been "selected" I still won't believe it until I see it.

I think the other proposals were both more realistic for the situation based on what Alicia posted in the new video:
 
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