King Kong Speculation Thread

[UNIrd]

I don't see all those projects happening for 2015. There's no way.. Unless they really want to go big for their 25th anniversary, but I would expect the same new attraction or two a year pacing.

 

[Jimpossible87]

Ok so a little clarification before something else happens...

Budget: People took my clue of the budget exceeding the FJ as the budget exceeds the ENTIRE Wizarding World. Totally incorrect, my statement was meant strictly as a guideline for this attraction having a budget in excess of $100 Million, and I will say it does exceed that number by a fair chunk of change. No where near close to 200 Million though as some may have taken it.

Indiana Jones meets Great Movie Ride meets Jurassic Park: This one was all over the board but I thought I made it somewhat clear, obviously I did not. When I said this it has to do with several aspects of the ride and I will give examples of all. For Indiana Jones think the temple queue, EMV vehicle, and and crazy special effects interior of the large show building. The "rumored" Kong ride will have an underground themed temple queue, a enhanced motion vehicle, and interior caverns. From the Great Movie Ride take the large RV's that are guided by an actual person. And then finally from JP take the outdoor section with AA's into a transition from outdoor to indoor dark ride. Something that came up is crazy motion with a ride op stationed on the actual RV. The motion level won't be as intense as Indiana but also their is a solution for the ride op to not feel like a rag doll for 45 mins straight. These RV's are also connected in tandem just like the Gringotts RV's but they are going to be the largest RV's currently on property in terms of weight, size, and capacity.

Kuka: Then you have the AA that utilizes Kuka tech to "attack" the rider. I mean not sure what else I can say to clarify that but I will say this. In Gringotts your going to see an entirely new way to utilize Kuka Arms, and its gonna be bad ****ing ass!!

MIA: Finally you have the rider abduction. Yes its happening, but I never said where, when, or how. I will say this though, their will be NO contact of any effect, harness, or mechanics coming into contact with the RV nor the actor. I will also go as far as saying when it happens, its going to catch you completely off guard...

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Transformers impact on Hollywoods numbers was another deciding factor for here in Orlando. I mean sure it didn't hurt that the R&D was already done and they needed a capital investment to get a tax break but its all about the numbers.

Wow been away enjoying my vacation in Orlando, finally seeing Transformers and the Simpsons and HHn all that good stuff and came back to this! All I can say is I hope this rumor comes true. The skull Island ride you are describing HTF sounds like my absolute DREAM...I cant say I care where it is just so long as we get one eventually. King Kong is my all time favorite anything so all the rumors have been making me crazy...even the Disaster one sounded excellent to me but this even better.

I think it should just be and prob will be a ride on its own inside JP not ist own Island or land...I always thought it fit in fine there and doesnt need its own Island just because its a different movie...Dinosaurs are dinosaurs IMO and they go together fine

 

[USO92]

^^While I agree the premise of JP never mentioned oversized apes, if Im not mistaken

I know both fit well together but unless they remove the JP island as a name then walking in and seeing Kong mixed with JP just doesnt make sense. I like having JP there but idk...something about losing the arch doesnt sit well with me; if of course we do lose it.

 

[Jimpossible87]

I agree with what you are saying but disagree at the same time...If the ride itself IS skull Island it doesnt need to be its own land too. The JP Island contains all the Jp things and the river adventure but Im fine with it also containing skull Island as a separate piece to one Island...Maybe a name change might make it better to put them together in one land but I dont think its a big deal, just an opinion of which none are ever wrong

^^While I agree the premise of JP never mentioned oversized apes, if Im not mistaken

I know both fit well together but unless they remove the JP island as a name then walking in and seeing Kong mixed with JP just doesnt make sense. I like having JP there but idk...something about losing the arch doesnt sit well with me; if of course we do lose it.

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Personally of anything I am on the side of just being exstatic if we actually get a Kong attraction in anyform in either park

 

[Cupcakes]

I like having JP there but idk...something about losing the arch doesnt sit well with me; if of course we do lose it.

I'd be seriously shocked if they really removed the arch. I think they'd just move it back a bit, as the arch would work as a perfect transition from Skull Island to Jurassic Park.

 

[OrlandoParks]

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://www.scribblemaps.com/getkml.aspx?id=Bqkm1KX9Yj&g=C77DFDE
RED:AREA OF SKULL ISLAND
BLACK: STUFF TO COVER JP BUILDING
BLUE:NEW ENTRANCE TO JURASSIC PARK

 

[novawildcat18]

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://www.scribblemaps.com/getkml.aspx?id=Bqkm1KX9Yj&g=C77DFDE
RED:AREA OF SKULL ISLAND
BLACK: STUFF TO COVER JP BUILDING
BLUE:NEW ENTRANCE TO JURASSIC PARK

That looks like you're assuming that Thunder Falls will be demolished for Skull Island. I thought that Thunder Falls was staying.

 

[AK-Jake]

Sounds like a great concept to me! My fingers are crossed for a giant, bleeding-edge Kong AA as well, but it doesn't sound like it's happening. Regardless, I remain curious, interested, and eager to see it when it's unveiled in what, 18 months?

And as awesome as it is that Universal is going on an all-out expansion spree, what happens in 5 years when all the expansion plots are full and they're pretty much out of land? Sure, it would seem that things will slow down and the older attractions will be replaced with newer ones on a slower schedule. I just worry about the fate of some of the "classics" that might get ripped out to make way for new. And that would be kind of sad in my book.

Thanks for the scoop, HTF.

 

[natespf]

That looks like you're assuming that Thunder Falls will be demolished for Skull Island. I thought that Thunder Falls was staying.

I envision it being a spur off in the no-man's land after TL ends but before JP starts. In this example I moved the JP arch back about halfway to the Falls, and it uses the existing greenery to hide the show building.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://www.scribblemaps.com/getkml.aspx?id=IXzNF3Q5Fb&g=7DF1A28

 

[Parkscope Joe]

Lets be very clear, Audio Animatronics are a VERY specialized version of mechanical figure. These figures are synced up to audio & effects to provide a 'actor' like performance.

AAs: Dragon in FJ, most of ET, pirates in PoTC, etc
Not AAs but mechanical figures: music playing animals in the Under the Sea segment of the Little Mermaid attraction, dancing ghosts in HM, etc

AAs have a time and place for attractions. The idea is to create just enough of an illusion to suggest the guests are experiencing something real and unique. Lighting, sound, fog, water, rock work, AAs, mechanical figures, plants, and projection effects of all types do this. Why light the final scene of PotC on actual fire, which would cost a fortune, be a maintenance nightmare, and require extraordinary safety precautions, when you can use some sheets, foil, and lights? I think AAs are best suited for slow moving attractions where you can soak in and notice the effect. The yeti in Everest always seemed to be a waste to me, but Ursula in Mermaid is great because you can appreciate it.



I expect Kong to be similar to the non video dome segments from FJ: physical sets, mechanical figures, lighting, effects, with sophisticated display and projection effects to replicate Kong.

 

[Hatetofly]

Thunder Falls stays if version of ride I described comes

 

[natespf]

Thunder Falls stays if version of ride I described comes

Cool. I wonder if the JP arch will be moved or changed?

 

[IzzyB]

OK, been gone for awhile do to computer issues and just catching up now and had a few comments.

1. We know that something is happening to JP arches since HTF hinted before at a picturesque iconic thing being removed, he later seemed to hint it was the arches. Plus where they are now won't work. So will it be moved or removed all together is the question.

2. From what we have heard Uni has pretty much wanted to do a roller coaster and dark ride in the JP area for awhile now. Because that corner of the park really did need a lot of help. Well from their perspective it is always better to have two IPs than one. So instead of doing a JP coaster & dark ride, why not bring in another IP. All of you people that say it won't sell enough merchandise are not looking at the fact that having a Kong dark ride will get them more merchandise sold than having a JP dark ride. So I think they will get the merchandise sales they are looking for.

3. Comparing the cartoon style overlays Disney is doing to building a ride on literature is not a fair comparison. It is well known in the public that Epcot Future World is about innovation and learning. So throwing a Nemo overlay just doesn't sit well with the theme of the land for anyone. But IOA really doesn't have that same thought with the general public. I bet you if you did a survey and asked people about it, only about 25% would know it is based on literature. Not like they have a giant book in the park or something like that for people to REALLY get or understand the theme.

4. Now when it comes to screens vs. AA. Do we want Little Mermaid or do we want FJ? Because really when you think about it, you can have high tech ride system or AA. You can't have both, why? Money. To do high end AA's cost money, to do high end ride systems cost money. To do high end scenery costs money. So when building a ride and you have 150m to do it, you have to figure out what you want to spend your money on and still give a good ride. While Uni is investing a ton of money into their parks, they also have budgets. The reason being is they want to fix the whole park, not just build one ride. So 500m in a year should not be spent on one ride, but multiple rides, maintenance, and overlays/upgrades to older rides. So if you want them to fix everything and build new rides you need to decide which you would like to have. The slow moving omnimover style ride or a high tech ride system that has some screens to accomplish action.

 

[Hatetofly]

I applaud Izzy for using her mind to actually think about some of the off the wall stuff I say. Think of my riddles and rumors on more of a global level. She brings logic to a rather crazy mess of opinionated crap. I mean no offense I love opinions but give a argument behind it rather than just saying nope not gonna happen... Kudos Izzy!

 

[shiekra38]

OK, been gone for awhile do to computer issues and just catching up now and had a few comments.

1. We know that something is happening to JP arches since HTF hinted before at a picturesque iconic thing being removed, he later seemed to hint it was the arches. Plus where they are now won't work. So will it be moved or removed all together is the question.

Perhaps we will see a new 'lost world' arch coming to JP? I hate to lose such an iconic thing though, but I would understand.

4. Now when it comes to screens vs. AA. Do we want Little Mermaid or do we want FJ? Because really when you think about it, you can have high tech ride system or AA. You can't have both, why? Money. To do high end AA's cost money, to do high end ride systems cost money. To do high end scenery costs money. So when building a ride and you have 150m to do it, you have to figure out what you want to spend your money on and still give a good ride. While Uni is investing a ton of money into their parks, they also have budgets. The reason being is they want to fix the whole park, not just build one ride. So 500m in a year should not be spent on one ride, but multiple rides, maintenance, and overlays/upgrades to older rides. So if you want them to fix everything and build new rides you need to decide which you would like to have. The slow moving omnimover style ride or a high tech ride system that has some screens to accomplish action.

The cost of mermaid was not entirely due to the AAs...The Imagineers are insane about stupid details that really one person out of thousands will notice and therefore the price of the ride rose rapidly...while Universal needed to build a ride on a tight budget and therefore was more clever about theming, misdirection, distraction and good ol' black curtains..With this attraction and considering the budget of the current Universal parks I could see having both AAs and screens (and I'm with you on that thought)...I just hope this doesn't become Transformers or Spiderman with Kong..

 

[Disneyhead]

I applaud Izzy for using her mind to actually think about some of the off the wall stuff I say. Think of my riddles and rumors on more of a global level. She brings logic to a rather crazy mess of opinionated crap. I mean no offense I love opinions but give a argument behind it rather than just saying nope not gonna happen... Kudos Izzy!

I think using logic and reason here on the interwebs is inappropriate and insulting to the other members. The World Wide Web is the place we go for illogical rants and name calling. If she is going to bring logic into the discussion, I may just go all Crispin Glover on her.









:smiley:

 

[@gentPerry]

In checking out the King 360 3d attraction at USH on google maps, I'll be curious to see if the same building dimensions will be used at IOA. At USH its designed for a 4-car tram vehicle that is about 100' long. The attraction building includes a smaller entry 'tunnel' about 170' long followed by the sound stage that is about 200' long. If the ride vehicle at IOA consists of 2 cars I wonder if the attraction building dimensions could be cut in half. I don't know how that would affect the video. Some adjustments in the video may be necessary since it currently shows a USH tram vehicle breaking off and falling down the canyon.
This being said, I'm excited to watch the progress of this attraction.

http://goo.gl/maps/fTUiD

 

[Disneyhead]

In checking out the King 360 3d attraction at USH on google maps, I'll be curious to see if the same building dimensions will be used at IOA. At USH its designed for a 4-car tram vehicle that is about 100' long. The attraction building includes a smaller entry 'tunnel' about 170' long followed by the sound stage that is about 200' long. If the ride vehicle at IOA consists of 2 cars I wonder if the attraction building dimensions could be cut in half. I don't know how that would affect the video. Some adjustments in the video may be necessary since it currently shows a USH tram vehicle breaking off and falling down the canyon.
This being said, I'm excited to watch the progress of this attraction.

Re-rendering the portion with the tram would be WAY less expensive than an entirely new ride film.

And I have to say, after Transformers: The Ride 3D and Gravity in IMAX 3D I have been reminded how much I LOVE 3D. I still think that it is the best tech in projection tech to date. But Universal really needs to get on the organ shaking audio tech. The audio in Transformers is it's weakest link.

 

[IzzyB]

I applaud Izzy for using her mind to actually think about some of the off the wall stuff I say. Think of my riddles and rumors on more of a global level. She brings logic to a rather crazy mess of opinionated crap. I mean no offense I love opinions but give a argument behind it rather than just saying nope not gonna happen... Kudos Izzy!

Thanks HTF, I don't normally use my mind since having kids....you tend to lose it. Must be an off day

I think using logic and reason here on the interwebs is inappropriate and insulting to the other members. The World Wide Web is the place we go for illogical rants and name calling. If she is going to bring logic into the discussion, I may just go all Crispin Glover on her.

I tried to find one that blows a kiss, but this one will have to do.

 

[UNIrd]

2. From what we have heard Uni has pretty much wanted to do a roller coaster and dark ride in the JP area for awhile now. Because that corner of the park really did need a lot of help. Well from their perspective it is always better to have two IPs than one. So instead of doing a JP coaster & dark ride, why not bring in another IP. All of you people that say it won't sell enough merchandise are not looking at the fact that having a Kong dark ride will get them more merchandise sold than having a JP dark ride. So I think they will get the merchandise sales they are looking for.

I'm buying a KONG tee for sure. In fact, I should wear my Kongfrontation shirt to the parks next time I visit to see the kind of looks I get.