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None of Bright's problems are budget-related though - it was what, 90-100 million and every dollar of it is on the screen, well done - they were all script-related. Max Landis is an idiot manchild whose next intelligent, original thought would be his first. That doesn't change whether the budget is five million or five hundred million. When (not if, but when) the theater system crumbles, and lower budgets become more of a norm, I'm hopeful stuff like Bright won't even get a look.
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Max Landis is by no means my favorite screenwriter or anything like that, but he did put online a killer pitch for a Ghostbusters 3 back around 2015. It's here. Longer read but it's fun and right a lot of the right notes I'd like to see what the movie. (sorry it's off topic)
 
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Max Landis is by no means my favorite screenwriter or anything like that, but he did put online a killer pitch for a Ghostbusters 3 back around 2015. It's here. Longer read but it's fun and right a lot of the right notes I'd like to see what the movie. (sorry it's off topic)
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I remember that. I wasn't a fan. If he wasn't Jon Landis' son, he'd have a vlog with fifty followers in his offtime from the Waffle House
 
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I think I've said before, the movie industry's accounting system needs an amazing amount of oversight. I don't for a second believe a 200m movie legitimately costs 200m. This is an industry where a Ghostbusters can go two decades "without turning a profit."
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Well, studios just seem to hand out checks for roughly $200M and say "have a nice day" on some of these films. Ant-Man for example, while not a full $200M (I believe A&tW was close to $175M though), has no business having the type of budgets that it does. TBH, Ant-Man 3 is the type of movie that I could truly see them dropping on Disney+ and not blinking twice IF they budget the movie out correctly.
 
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And yet, if a film is done poorly, commerce suffers as well. Without theaters, basically films simply become made-for-TV movies-of-the-week. They will look, and be made, mostly cheap. There's no reason to shoot a big spectacular film with wide sweeping shots when 75% of people will watch it on their phones.
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Netflix actually has some rather stringent requirements for production and post. I’m sure Amazon and Apple do as well. There’s no functional reason for their originals to look cheap.
 
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Netflix actually has some rather stringent requirements for production and post. I’m sure Amazon and Apple do as well. There’s no functional reason for their originals to look cheap.
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I can't see that happening either. With the huge advancement in digital cameras over the last decade and CGI and post processing improving all the time, creating that 'cinema' look is easier than ever and it's been done for a long time in TV. Game of Thrones, Fargo, American Gods, The Knick were all beautifully shot. Add on that 4K tvs are dropping in price with larger sets far more affordable, than ever before. That home theatre experience is better than ever.

I'm curious how this is going to offer a new opportunity to filmmakers, be it, no time restraints or being able to be an NC-17 rating without the kiss of death.

There was discussion when The Irishman was released about it's length time. Being 210mins long, plenty of people chose to watch on Netflix over the theatre.
 
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I can't see that happening either. With the huge advancement in digital cameras over the last decade and CGI and post processing improving all the time, creating that 'cinema' look is easier than ever and it's been done for a long time in TV. Game of Thrones, Fargo, American Gods, The Knick were all beautifully shot. Add on that 4K tvs are dropping in price with larger sets far more affordable, than ever before. That home theatre experience is better than ever.

I'm curious how this is going to offer a new opportunity to filmmakers, be it, no time restraints or being able to be an NC-17 rating without the kiss of death.

There was discussion when The Irishman was released about it's length time. Being 210mins long, plenty of people chose to watch on Netflix over the theatre.
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Netflix didn't go wide with The Irishman, however, and it only played for about 21 days (pretty much exclusively in LA and NYC) before being available on Netflix.
 
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Netflix didn't go wide with The Irishman, however, and it only played for about 21 days (pretty much exclusively in LA and NYC) before being available on Netflix.
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Huh. I just assumed it was widely available, I had a few cinemas near me showing it although no major cinema chain had it.
 
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Huh. I just assumed it was widely available, I had a few cinemas near me showing it although no major cinema chain had it.
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Per NATO (The National theater Association, not the other one) rules, if a movie is not following the 90 day guidelines (at least as of last year before AMC made their deal with Universal) and plans to go to PVOD shortly after release, the major theaters almost always refuse to show any movies trying to skirt around the implemented "rules". That's why Netflix has had to buy two theaters in LA and NYC. They couldn't get anyone to play their movies and to be considered for an Oscar, you have to play for at least 3 or 4 weeks in both LA and NYC as they are the largest movie markets.
 
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Per NATO (The National theater Association, not the other one) rules, if a movie is not following the 90 day guidelines (at least as of last year before AMC made their deal with Universal) and plans to go to PVOD shortly after release, the major theaters almost always refuse to show any movies trying to skirt around the implemented "rules". That's why Netflix has had to buy two theaters in LA and NYC. They couldn't get anyone to play their movies and to be considered for an Oscar, you have to play for at least 3 or 4 weeks in both LA and NYC as they are the largest movie markets.
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Warner Bros & Universal Bosses Say No Movie Theater Buyouts In The Works, But “We’re Rooting For Them”

The heads of Universal and Warner Bros ruled out investing in the exhibition sector, though they are sticking with theatrical film releases.
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Langley mentioned The Croods: A New Age, out November 25, and Sarnoff name-checked spring 2021 title In the Heights as films that would have theatrical as an element of their releases but not in the traditional way. Sarnoff said some preliminary discussions have been held with exhibitors about windows but she had nothing to announce.
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In the Heights confirmed for shortened window?
 
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In the Heights confirmed for shortened window?
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WB probably wants to get it in and out of theaters as quick as possible to put it on HBO Max after seeing the success of Hamilton.
 
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“We’re rooting for them”

sounds encouraging lol
 
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I can't see that happening either. With the huge advancement in digital cameras over the last decade and CGI and post processing improving all the time, creating that 'cinema' look is easier than ever and it's been done for a long time in TV. Game of Thrones, Fargo, American Gods, The Knick were all beautifully shot. Add on that 4K tvs are dropping in price with larger sets far more affordable, than ever before. That home theatre experience is better than ever.

I'm curious how this is going to offer a new opportunity to filmmakers, be it, no time restraints or being able to be an NC-17 rating without the kiss of death.

There was discussion when The Irishman was released about it's length time. Being 210mins long, plenty of people chose to watch on Netflix over the theatre.
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The "cinema" look has nothing to do with lenses, etc. It has to do with a style. A true cinema look - wide vistas, slow cuts for widescreen, etc - does not look good on a TV unless it's about 100 inches. And looks worse on a phone. It why "Lawrence Of Arabia" looks bad on a phone. TV is designed for medium to close up shots (same with phones). And the reverse is true as well ... 99% of TV films, no matter how well made, would look claustrophobic on an huge screen. Its the nature of the medium.
 
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Universal Tosses Cinemas a Lifeline While Testing New Distribution Model

The Comcast-owned studio is releasing substantially more films to theaters this holiday season as it tries to spur attendance for troubled cinemas—and boost its push to reset distribution norms.
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Some people owe Universal an apology for all the crap they threw at them back in March
 
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www.wsj.com

Universal Tosses Cinemas a Lifeline While Testing New Distribution Model

The Comcast-owned studio is releasing substantially more films to theaters this holiday season as it tries to spur attendance for troubled cinemas—and boost its push to reset distribution norms.
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Some people owe Universal an apology for all the crap they threw at them back in March
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I can't read because it's behind a paywall, but Universal is throwing movies out there like Croods 2 and Freaky are just to play at AMC for the 17-day window and then go on-demand and News of the World will probably use the same window. News of the World is an awards play as well as maybe a film by Focus?

They aren't here trying to save cinemas is my point. They still plan to use the window and then go to PVOD. It may not seem like it because no Disney proper films are on the schedule (aside from a large amount of Halloween re-releases in Coco, Hocus Pocus and Nightmare Before Christmas), but they still have 3 20th Century films on their slate (including one movie coming out this week) and they've already released two movies domestically since theaters reopened (and Mulan was released in select countries internationally without Disney+). But let's be clear there too - Disney just wants to release those films because those are films they didn't make (and they can't be moved to Disney+ do to existing contracts with HBO). They aren't putting hardly any marketing into most Fox films right now. But either way it is new content for theaters.

WB is the Studio that has completely ditched on 2020 more than any studio. WW1984 still sits on Christmas day, but rumor is it'll make a move to either February 12th or June 4th.
 
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I can't read because it's behind a paywall, but Universal is throwing movies out there like Croods 2 and Freaky are just to play at AMC for the 17-day window and then go on-demand and News of the World will probably use the same window. News of the World is an awards play as well as maybe a film by Focus?

They aren't here trying to save cinemas is my point. They still plan to use the window and then go to PVOD. It may not seem like it because no Disney proper films are on the schedule (aside from a large amount of Halloween re-releases in Coco, Hocus Pocus and Nightmare Before Christmas), but they still have 3 20th Century films on their slate (including one movie coming out this week) and they've already released two movies domestically since theaters reopened (and Mulan was released in select countries internationally without Disney+). But let's be clear there too - Disney just wants to release those films because those are films they didn't make (and they can't be moved to Disney+ do to existing contracts with HBO). They aren't putting hardly any marketing into most Fox films right now. But either way it is new content for theaters.

WB is the Studio that has completely ditched on 2020 more than any studio. WW1984 still sits on Christmas day, but rumor is it'll make a move to either February 12th or June 4th.
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Universal is releasing 8 films in theatres
Comcast Corp.’s Universal Pictures is releasing substantially more films to theaters this holiday season as it tries to spur attendance for troubled cinemas—and boost its push to reset distribution norms by making movies available sooner for online rental.
Even as most studios have been canceling theatrical distribution plans for 2020, Universal said Monday it would send the romantic drama “All My Life” to U.S. theaters on Dec. 4, bringing to eight the total number of films it has slated for domestic theatrical release before the end of the year.
That is far more titles than any other major Hollywood studio—and nearly double Universal’s output during the final 2½ months of 2019. Like many of its competitors, though, Universal has pushed back the release of its biggest titles, including the next installment in its hit “Fast & Furious” franchise, until at least next year.
Universal’s release strategy will allow the studio to test a plan to make movies available for online rental sooner than ever after they open in theaters.
By putting lower-budget films in cinemas now, Universal is able to provide embattled theaters with more content while simultaneously carving out multiple opportunities to experiment with its new distribution model, which allows it to decide on the fly when to move new films online.
“They need us; we need them,” Donna Langley, chairman of Universal’s film division, said in an interview, referring to theaters. “Everyone is looking for solutions for the short term and long term.”
The cinema has suffered a cataclysmic downturn this year. The coronavirus pandemic forced theaters to close in March. After many reopened, business remained hurt by a combination of government-mandated capacity restrictions and consumers’ reluctance to return to theaters.
Movie theaters are doing their best to stay afloat with help from government subsidies, rent forgiveness and loans.
AT&T Inc.’s Warner Bros. unsuccessfully tried to spark a moviegoing rebound in September, when it released the Christopher Nolan spy thriller “Tenet” in North American theaters. In the eight weeks since, the $200 million movie has grossed a disappointing $50.6 million domestically. The movie has fared much better abroad, grossing $283.4 million.
Last week, AMC Entertainment Holdings Inc., America’s largest movie-theater company, said it could exhaust its cash reserves by year’s end if it doesn’t raise additional funds or start selling more movie tickets. While early in the pandemic many Hollywood executives projected the domestic market was likely to shed underperforming and undercapitalized theaters, movie studios’ business model continues to rely on racking up box-office revenue with the most valuable titles.
Studios have put some movies online to drive subscription growth to their burgeoning streaming services, as Walt Disney Co. DIS -2.03% has done with “Mulan” and the Pixar movie “Soul.”
But when it comes to smaller-budget films, the threshold for profitability is lower, making it easier for a studio to earn money on a mix of theatrical and online distribution despite historically low movie attendance.
Universal’s slate of films set for release during the final stretch of the year includes a host of small- to mid-budget films boasting recognizable stars. The animated “Croods: A New Age” is to make its debut on Nov. 25, ahead of Thanksgiving. The movie, a follow-up to the 2013 original, cost about $65 million to make and features a voice cast that includes Nicolas Cage, Emma Stone and Ryan Reynolds. The studio also plans to release the Tom Hanks vehicle “News of the World” on Christmas Day.
Universal has four films on the books from its specialty label Focus Features, including “Let Him Go,” starring Kevin Costner and Diane Lane.
Sony Pictures Entertainment and Disney each have four feature films scheduled for the remainder of the year, the second-highest number. The only big-budget film still on the 2020 calendar is Warner Bros.’ “Wonder Woman 1984,” scheduled for Christmas Day.
“The big movies that require a huge global footprint to appropriately monetize…they got moved,” Ms. Langley said. “But movies that require a more modest box-office return, this model is really working for us.”
Universal recently tested the model with its Focus Features film “Kajillionaire,” starring Evan Rachel Wood. After making its debut in more than 500 theaters on Sept. 25—grossing a meager $526,000 so far—the movie became available as a $20 online rental on Friday. The movie was screened in 91 theaters over the weekend.
Universal began experimenting with novel release models in April, as theaters closed because of the pandemic. Instead of waiting for theaters to reopen, the studio made “Trolls World Tour” available as a premium-priced online rental on the same day it was to have hit theaters. Even though the studio had originally planned to release the movie in theaters, it heralded its move as a success.
To date the animated feature has generated about $125 million in online revenue, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Initially, AMC blasted Universal’s “Trolls” strategy, saying it would no longer show Universal films in its theaters. Three months later, AMC reversed itself, agreeing with Universal to trim the window between a movie’s theatrical release and its appearance online to 17 days, from about 75.
“Universal is moving forward releasing films when few other major studios are. That was a specific reason why AMC entered into the agreement,” AMC Chief Executive Adam Aron said Monday.
While Universal could decide to let titles play longer in theaters if they are performing well, the deal allows the studio to better capitalize on the marketing rolled out ahead of the theatrical release.
“Where people are going to the movie theaters…[now] there’s new product available,” Ms. Langley said. “It also benefits the consumer ultimately…. They can see it in the movie theater, if they are living in a place where it’s safe to do it, or they can wait.”
It is unclear whether other theater chains will follow in AMC’s footsteps. The second-biggest theater chain in the U.S., Cineworld Group PLC’s Regal Entertainment Group, recently suspended operations at all of its domestic locations, citing a lack of new movies as a significant factor in its decision.
Regal and Cinemark Holdings Inc., the No. 3 chain in the U.S., didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
Ms. Langley said the AMC deal was pivotal in the studio’s decision to move ahead with so many theatrical releases during the coming holiday period.
Universal declined to name what other theaters are likely to join AMC in showing the studio’s coming releases. However, a person familiar with the plans said the studio expects to secure a significant number of distribution deals with other theater chains.
Bob Bagby, CEO of North America’s seventh-largest chain, B&B Theatres, which has been in business for more than 90 years, said that while a final decision hasn’t been made, he is in talks with Universal.
“We’re looking at all solutions,” he said. “We need new product to show.”
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Universal is releasing 8 films in theatres
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And that's great. I'm happy they are sticking to the theatrical model in some way. But those 8 films are likely to have a combined total domestic gross of under $80M. And i'm probably being generous using $80M, because most films are awards plays and that would assume they make roughly $10M each.

If Wonder Woman holds it's date, they will gross more, but other than that, it's just new content that mostly needs to be released for awards consideration.
 
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‘Come Play’ Wins Halloween Weekend with $3 Million and Sets a PVOD Precedent

Most theaters showed "Come Play" three weeks before anticipated home availability, creating the potential for a long-feared paradigm shift.
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