Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

[Nick]

I havent watch Shang-Chi, I'll watch it right now ( I keep forgetting) I'm curious. Still haven't watch eternals.

I will always watch everything marvel ( except agents of shield, I just never got around it. Maybe one day) I will watch every movie, no matter what,
But some marvel movies I have only watched once. ( Thor 2, iron man 2, the hulk movies, )

And ant man 3, I'm not sure if I'll rewatch, ( maybe for modok lol) even if I criticize marvel in the past or get angry at their decisions, I will always watch everything. But it's kinda sad on how they seem to keep messing up after end game.

I tried watching Thor love and thunder and it just was too cringe. I just could not ...... Felt like a waste of time and felt embarrassing. It gets worse in the second viewing.
This ant man movie is not cringe or embarrassing but I don't know if I'll watch it again like the others
( Same goes for the tv shows. I'll watch Loki and winter soldier shows again for sure but not miss marvel or she hulk).

And as for DC, DC movies might be lower quality and disorganized, but I have watched all of them at least 3 times lol . Even suicide squad lol

Thor: Love & Thunder is like Rise of Skywalker to me in a way. I watched it that one time, I barely got through it in the theater because of how cringey it was, I've told people I know not even to bother with those movies, and I have no intention of ever watching either again. TRoS was ultimately worse though because that was the culmination of the Skywalker Saga and for it to end like that was just embarrassing to watch as a viewer.

 

[Nick]

It’s funny too because Feige insists you don’t have to watch everything to keep up. Furthest thing from the truth. Yeah sure, maybe you get the nuts and bolts of the story, but you really don’t get as much out of it if you don’t know what came before.

I saw the movie with my dad who hadn’t seen Loki. He didn’t understand why Kang was a big deal at all.

And then they had a Loki post-credits scene to boot! Although I kinda agree you didn't need to have seen Loki to understand this, but that is not where the problems lay with this movie. The problems are simply in the writing. A lot of it was really weak stuff that we're just supposed to accept because it's the MCU.

 

[Captain Tragedy]

Just got out. We all enjoyed it. Much better than the critics say but yeah pretty bloated. MODOK looked absolutely silly, but had some funny lines. Jonathan majors killed it as usual.

 

[Lucky Planet]

In regards to MODOK, I had a shower thought the day after.

With all of this multiversal stuff now, it basically allows them to make a character a punchline, but then have them be a totally different character in a future movie (i.e. Mr. Fantastic).

Some one would say that gives a ton of creative freedom…I say it diminishes the quality of the product.

On another note - I know I liked the movie, but it received a B CinemaScore from audiences. The only other movie to score that low in the MCU was Eternals. Couple that with a projected $102 mil opening weekend and Feige really took a gamble and lost here. I’m almost positive they were hoping for a large weekend since it would “set the stakes for the MCU” despite the previous Ant-Man movies pulling in less money.

I really liked Feige in Phases 1-3…but I think his reach has exceeded his grasp since then.

It’s funny too because Feige insists you don’t have to watch everything to keep up. Furthest thing from the truth. Yeah sure, maybe you get the nuts and bolts of the story, but you really don’t get as much out of it if you don’t know what came before.

I saw the movie with my dad who hadn’t seen Loki. He didn’t understand why Kang was a big deal at all.

It has good ideas and many funny lines but to me it’s lower then dr strange 2 but higher then Thor 4

there are parts I loved and then 30 mins of filler could have been cut fight scenes. I get it they want to make this fight look like a big struggle but I feel like the film could have been 1 hour 40 mins and lost nothing and be a better film for it

Some people keep saying that the problem with this movie was the Rick and Morty writers
That they don't know how to properly do a third act. I've never watched Rick and Morty but a lot of people seem to think that they hurt this movie, I don't know.

And for MODOK returning, it doesn't even have to be a different universe modok but just another guy that gets the same treatment from kang. it could just be another scientist or soldier from this universe lol.

Spoiler

This is the second time we meet a Kang and the second time he dies, so technically we have not met the ultimate Kang that the avengers will fight.
Imagine if Thanos kept getting killed with each time he showed up in a movie. Very very awful way to treat kang. The next time he shows up it will be a different one again, so why should anyone care until the end of this phase or plan for the future.

 

[Clive]

Good lord that was awful. Every character a caricature. The VFX gets worse and worse (not the fault of the artists but the Marvel workflows and time crunch). Jonathan Majors, while undeniably charismatic, has nothing to do but mutter menacing platitudes. Derivative of a bunch of better movies while forging no identity of its own.

I wasn't previously on the "MCU is in trouble" train, but yeah, the MCU is in trouble.

 

[pumpkinbot343]

Nothing outside of Eternals and maybe Loki reads as “awful” to me; but yeah after Endgame (and even that’s got problems) the quality of the MCU hasn’t really been up to par most of the time. Even No Way Home I’d argue rides a lot on the nostalgia train. Phases 1, 2, and 3 simply had a lot more memorable moments. I quite enjoyed TFATWS and Shang-Chi; and Wakanda Forever actually was BETTER the second time I watched it, but other than that? The rest ranges from passable (Black Widow) to mixed (Ms. Marvel) to character assassination (Scarlet Witch in Multiverse of Madness) but everything is just not really memorable or notable.

And THIS is the start of Phase 5. Really? Did anything actually happen in this film? The last film Wakanda Forever establishes that their kingdom may be still under threat by the rest of the countries and Contessa, and an uneasy alliance with Namor. But here, Ant-Man and his family don’t really learn anything or change aside from Cassie getting a suit which was inevitable. Loki already established that multiple Kangs were a thing. And of course the film was just mediocre. Compare that to the other first entries of “Phases” which were great and laid the groundwork for future films (Iron Man, Civil War) or at least were unique (Iron Man 3, Wandavision).

I never saw the Simpsons, but I hear that show should have ended a looooonnngg time ago. With these latest MCU showings, I think I’m starting to feel what that’s like.

 

[OrlandoGuy]

What a bummer. This movie was bland, unimaginative, and mediocre (at best) by ever conceivable metric you can judge a movie on. The most interesting part came during the credits, when it was revealed the movie was, in fact, not written or directed by Chat GPT.

 

[Nick]

Good lord that was awful. Every character a caricature. The VFX gets worse and worse (not the fault of the artists but the Marvel workflows and time crunch). Jonathan Majors, while undeniably charismatic, has nothing to do but mutter menacing platitudes. Derivative of a bunch of better movies while forging no identity of its own.

I wasn't previously on the "MCU is in trouble" train, but yeah, the MCU is in trouble.

I’m starting to wonder if it’s time for a change at the top. Feige clearly had a lot on his plate with the addition of TV shows, but I’m also no longer on the “Feige can do no wrong” train and if a change is needed both for him and the MCU then I’m fine with it now.

I don’t see him staying past Secret Wars imo.

 

[Nico]

I’m starting to wonder if it’s time for a change at the top. Feige clearly had a lot on his plate with the addition of TV shows, but I’m also no longer on the “Feige can do no wrong” train and if a change is needed both for him and the MCU then I’m fine with it now.

I don’t see him staying past Secret Wars imo.

I saw some rumor that it might happen. Supposedly Feige may want Alan Bergman’s job if Bergman becomes CEO.

 

[ThemeParks4Life]

This is pure filler and a snooze that lacks the charm of the last two Ant-Man movies. These post-Endgame MCU movies need to stop being teasers for the next Avengers because they're ultimately amounting to an unsatisfying payoff.

And THIS is the start of Phase 5. Really? Did anything actually happen in this film? The last film Wakanda Forever establishes that their kingdom may be still under threat by the rest of the countries and Contessa, and an uneasy alliance with Namor. But here, Ant-Man and his family don’t really learn anything or change aside from Cassie getting a suit which was inevitable. Loki already established that multiple Kangs were a thing. And of course the film was just mediocre. Compare that to the other first entries of “Phases” which were great and laid the groundwork for future films (Iron Man, Civil War) or at least were unique (Iron Man 3, Wandavision).

And this right here is why the entire movie is meaningless. The Loki post-credits scene stung because it made me realize 20 minutes of a season finale fleshed out Kang better than a full two hour movie where he's the main antagonist. Again, this is just a filler story!

 

[HalfGlass]

This is pure filler and a snooze that lacks the charm of the last two Ant-Man movies. These post-Endgame MCU movies need to stop being teasers for the next Avengers because they're ultimately amounting to an unsatisfying payoff.



And this right here is why the entire movie is meaningless. The Loki post-credits scene stung because it made me realize 20 minutes of a season finale fleshed out Kang better than a full two hour movie where he's the main antagonist. Again, this is just a filler story!

I think MCU TV is what’s ultimately ruining the franchise. Having to juggle between so many projects dilutes the material, and then also makes you confined because you need to get relevant information across to set up the future, but you can’t bank on everyone seeing every show (never mind remembering all the details).

I truly believe we may have seen a small step back in Phase 4 if they only did films, but the product would have been so much crisper and interesting.

 

[Lucky Planet]

Nothing outside of Eternals and maybe Loki reads as “awful” to me; but yeah after Endgame (and even that’s got problems) the quality of the MCU hasn’t really been up to par most of the time. Even No Way Home I’d argue rides a lot on the nostalgia train. Phases 1, 2, and 3 simply had a lot more memorable moments. I quite enjoyed TFATWS and Shang-Chi; and Wakanda Forever actually was BETTER the second time I watched it, but other than that? The rest ranges from passable (Black Widow) to mixed (Ms. Marvel) to character assassination (Scarlet Witch in Multiverse of Madness) but everything is just not really memorable or notable.

And THIS is the start of Phase 5. Really? Did anything actually happen in this film? The last film Wakanda Forever establishes that their kingdom may be still under threat by the rest of the countries and Contessa, and an uneasy alliance with Namor. But here, Ant-Man and his family don’t really learn anything or change aside from Cassie getting a suit which was inevitable. Loki already established that multiple Kangs were a thing. And of course the film was just mediocre. Compare that to the other first entries of “Phases” which were great and laid the groundwork for future films (Iron Man, Civil War) or at least were unique (Iron Man 3, Wandavision).

I never saw the Simpsons, but I hear that show should have ended a looooonnngg time ago. With these latest MCU showings, I think I’m starting to feel what that’s like.

I don't know..... I feel like every single project of phase 4 had awful writing or awful plot holes.
Even the stuff everyone loved like wandavision.

I'm not talking about the acting or the action or the effects or anything visual ( not even the specific directing)
But I remember wandavision having some huge writing problems. I remember huge plot holes during phase 4. Stuff contradicting itself, contradicting previous marvel movies, tv shows contradicting movies or the other way around
( Wandavision. Loki and Dr strange 2 literally contradicting each other and causing more plot holes, how can there be different spidermans and different universes if the Kang from Loki was erasing them all)

I'm just saying, your post reminded me of how phase 4 had so many writing problems.
Like you said, Wanda's character assassination. Stuff like that
I'm sure if I watch them all again I'll remember all the problems phase 4 had. Because it was a lot.
Seems like phase 5 will get just as messy.
I'm not even being a hater. Like I said before. I watched every single marvel movie and I'll watch everything next. But phase 4 was when things started to really really not make sense sometimes

 

[deadbydawn]

Just saw this in theaters. Some thoughts I have:

• Wait so this isnt the same actress who portrayed Cassie Lang back in Endgame? Yeah that was a cameo… but still why did they recast her?

I think they went with Kathryn Newton simply because she's a more marketable name right now. This film was pretty Cassie-centric and maybe they liked what she had done recently. FWIW, I think she was great. Loving the purple suit, too.

 

[Nick]

The problem with these Phase 4 and now Phase 5 movies/shows is as pointed out, the shows bloated caused there to be way too much content being created, and it ultimately just became about mining the IP and getting quantity over quality under Chapek. They are cutting back on Disney+ stuff, but the damage has been done. to Phase 4 and probably most of Phase 5 too. The Marvels going into its second or third reshoot and being delayed because of that does not give me hope for that movie.

The CGI is constantly getting worse, the movies are becoming increasingly meaningless (still waiting for literally any payoff from Eternals), Love & Thunder only existed to set up a Zeus/Valhalla movie, Black Widow should've been made in 2016/17 when it was set during (but at least it introduced a lot of interesting characters), and Quantumania was ultimately pointless in every way and it also took what everyone liked about Scott, Hope, Hank, etc and removed it completely.

The writing has been the main thing consistently all over the place post-Endgame and honestly they need to just stop hiring Rick & Morty writers because it's not working. The thing i'm worried about most is that Jeff Loveness (who wrote Quantumania) is the writer for Kang Dynasty and Michael Waldron (Multiverse of Madness) is writing Secret Wars. Those two writers writing two Avengers films makes me worried that these two Avengers films may be complete disasters.

 

[Lucky Planet]

The original ending of this movie

Spoiler

On YouTube they said it ended with Kang alive and Scott stuck down there. That it was open ended and you didn't know what would happen.

I would definitely prefer an ending where Kang is defeated but alive and Scott has to deal with the aftermath.
But we got the cookie cutter ending with the bad cake lol

 

[Bort]

I was waiting for the Twilight Zone twist-ending to salvage this whole movie. When Scott does that final stroll around the block, I wanted something to be off. Something that said, hey, you're in the multiverse's game now, sorta like how Loki S1 ends. Something that would make Scott think "Hey, I gotta get the band together asap because this dude Kang is coming".

 

[Nick]

I was waiting for the Twilight Zone twist-ending to salvage this whole movie. When Scott does that final stroll around the block, I wanted something to be off. Something that said, hey, you're in the multiverse's game now, sorta like how Loki S1 ends. Something that would make Scott think "Hey, I gotta get the band together asap because this dude Kang is coming".

That would've been so simple yet so easy to do. You don't need to be Craig Mazin to think of that kind of thing when it comes to the Multiverse, but this writing team seems to have been operating at an average to below average level with this movie so not surprised that didn't happen, although sort of surprised it wasn't a directive from Feige. It would also tie in nicely with how No Way Home ended.

 

[Lucky Planet]

I was waiting for the Twilight Zone twist-ending to salvage this whole movie. When Scott does that final stroll around the block, I wanted something to be off. Something that said, hey, you're in the multiverse's game now, sorta like how Loki S1 ends. Something that would make Scott think "Hey, I gotta get the band together asap because this dude Kang is coming".

Well I heard that one version of the ending had Kang sitting in the restaurant. No one noticed is him, but he's there. Watching. Or something like that.
I guess they are keeping what you mentioned for Loki 2

 

[Nick]

Well I heard that one version of the ending had Kang sitting in the restaurant. No one noticed is him, but he's there. Watching. Or something like that.
I guess they are keeping what you mentioned for Loki 2

Supposedly Kang has a big role in Loki season 2 so we'll see how that goes.

 

[Jerroddragon]

So like Message wise....this movie is kinda all over the place

Spoiler

It wants you to illegally protest but at the end of the day go back to your normal life?
Also is the Quantum realm suppose to be Australia because its an indigenous people land taken by a prisoner?
Also if MODOK isn't on a memorial with other fallen Avengers in future shows/movies then...he kinda is a wasted character