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Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

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So like Message wise....this movie is kinda all over the place

It wants you to illegally protest but at the end of the day go back to your normal life?
Also is the Quantum realm suppose to be Australia because its an indigenous people land taken by a prisoner?
Also if MODOK isn't on a memorial with other fallen Avengers in future shows/movies then...he kinda is a wasted character
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There was no point to this movie. You could skip it and you won't miss a thing. This was just a filler movie that they hyped up to be the next Civil War, except this was never going to realistically be an Avengers-level movie like Civil War because the ONLY Avenger in this movie is Ant-Man. Civil War had pretty much the whole Avengers lineup - Even Ant-Man! Add on to that that general movie goers have really no idea who Kang is and I think they made Kang look a bit like a punk compared to Thanos and it's just all a big turd of a movie.
 
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There was no point to this movie. You could skip it and you won't miss a thing. This was just a filler movie that they hyped up to be the next Civil War, except this was never going to realistically be an Avengers-level movie like Civil War because the ONLY Avenger in this movie is Ant-Man. Civil War had pretty much the whole Avengers lineup - Even Ant-Man! Add on to that that general movie goers have really no idea who Kang is and I think they made Kang look a bit like a punk compared to Thanos and it's just all a big turd of a movie.
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Thanos could easily beat Kang, Kang is dangerous when he works with other versions of himself


but agree it was no where near as impactful or even half the film civil war is

it’s funny when it came out people were upset it was a huge event like in the comics, little did we know how good we had it back then
 
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So like Message wise....this movie is kinda all over the place

It wants you to illegally protest but at the end of the day go back to your normal life?
Also is the Quantum realm suppose to be Australia because its an indigenous people land taken by a prisoner?
Also if MODOK isn't on a memorial with other fallen Avengers in future shows/movies then...he kinda is a wasted character
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Scott is literally the only reason the universe was saved in end game and the reason everyone returned. ( Dumb luck sure) but he's literally the reason people came back
And his daughter keeps bashing him lol. I know this is part comedic effect part characters journey.
But yes. Terrible writing. Scott did more than enough.
And

Ok let's go with the daughters reasoning
So you need to save homeless people, by fighting cops, damaging their property and getting arrested?
I'm sure there was a better way. I really hated that part. Again sure it's comedic and her point was that Scott needed to be a hero every single day because he has the powers to do so. ( With great powers comes great responsibility)
But her way of helping didn't help the homeless people at all.......

And yes she wanted to help the people down there, but Scott was right. What if 50 years passed while they were there?
It's just terrible writing

There's a lot more problems.
And like I said. Phase 4 is full of terrible writing everywhere. It's full of it.
 
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Scott is literally the only reason the universe was saved in end game and the reason everyone returned. ( Dumb luck sure) but he's literally the reason people came back
And his daughter keeps bashing him lol. I know this is part comedic effect part characters journey.
But yes. Terrible writing. Scott did more than enough.
And

Ok let's go with the daughters reasoning
So you need to save homeless people, by fighting cops, damaging their property and getting arrested?
I'm sure there was a better way. I really hated that part. Again sure it's comedic and her point was that Scott needed to be a hero every single day because he has the powers to do so. ( With great powers comes great responsibility)
But her way of helping didn't help the homeless people at all.......

And yes she wanted to help the people down there, but Scott was right. What if 50 years passed while they were there?
It's just terrible writing

There's a lot more problems.
And like I said. Phase 4 is full of terrible writing everywhere. It's full of it.
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Saw a TikTok that pointed out how awful and privileged Cassie is: she's running amok at a protest using her grandfather's propriety discovery to mess with cops. She's not using her family's hugely powerful and influential company and status as Avengers and saviors of the planet to advocate for change. Then her dad bails her out and she lectures him from the backseat of his luxury vehicle.

This whole plot line felt extremely shallow and misguided. It only really serves to drive a wedge between Scott and Cassie. I feel like there's enough dramatic tension in a father not wanting his daughter (who idolizes him) to become entangled in super heroics and all the danger that entails.
 
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Saw a TikTok that pointed out how awful and privileged Cassie is: she's running amok at a protest using her grandfather's propriety discovery to mess with cops. She's not using her family's hugely powerful and influential company and status as Avengers and saviors of the planet to advocate for change. Then her dad bails her out and she lectures him from the backseat of his luxury vehicle.

This whole plot line felt extremely shallow and misguided. It only really serves to drive a wedge between Scott and Cassie. I feel like there's enough dramatic tension in a father not wanting his daughter (who idolizes him) to become entangled in super heroics and all the danger that entails.
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Agreed but also kids are stupid and rash.

I thought it was funny hope is helping everyone with tech yet Cassie is still upset, like WTF join hope in helping people if you care so much or use the suit smarter and dont get caught if your going against the police
 
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Ooof.


On one hand, What a villain we have in Kang. Absolutely the best piece of the film. Jonathan Majors was terrific.

As for the rest "I have holes" sums it up. Humor fell flat. They've really dialed in what an MCU movie does and the beats are familiar and "samey" throughout.

Not gonna say I'm over it, but the whole universe is on life support. Still excited for Loki S2.
 
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Ooof.


On one hand, What a villain we have in Kang. Absolutely the best piece of the film. Jonathan Majors was terrific.

As for the rest "I have holes" sums it up. Humor fell flat. They've really dialed in what an MCU movie does and the beats are familiar and "samey" throughout.

Not gonna say I'm over it, but the whole universe is on life support. Still excited for Loki S2.
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Yeah, there's projects i'm still looking forward too. I think most of this year has a lot of promise with Secret Invasion and Loki S2 looking to be pretty good and GotG I have no doubt will be great. I believe we're getting What If? S2 as well and that should be fun. The project i'm most worried about for the rest of this year is The Marvels. I fear that movie is going to not only get hated on for a lot of the wrong reasons, but that it's going to be pretty bad just from an objective standpoint. I don't have much hope for it.

Next year though we get Cap 4, Thunderbolts, Blade, and Deadpool 3. Honestly, Deadpool 3 is the only movie i'm not worried about them screwing up in some way or another at this point (because of the talent involved). The MCU is 15 years old and this is the first time i've ever said what i'm about to say: I no longer trust Kevin Feige or believe that the MCU is going to put out a quality product anymore. It's becoming more and more like the DCEU in terms of quality and the box office is only still there because they are skating by on their past reputation as a studio that puts out quality comic book movies. If they don't course correct soon, they are going to lose people who have stayed along for this post-Endgame roller coaster.
 
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Agreed but also kids are stupid and rash.

I thought it was funny hope is helping everyone with tech yet Cassie is still upset, like WTF join hope in helping people if you care so much or use the suit smarter and dont get caught if your going against the police
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I understand how someone could say " this is a moment for growth for her. She starts the movie in a negative way and grows and learns "
But by the end of the movie, I don't feel like she learned anything. And she didn't feel like she changed
Maybe it was a way to teach Scott to care about the little people lol. But Scott started as a thief in a bad job. If anyone knows what it's like to have problems is him. It's just uncomfortable.
And it feels like marvel was using the homelessness issue as a punchline.

youhow2 said:
Ooof.


On one hand, What a villain we have in Kang. Absolutely the best piece of the film. Jonathan Majors was terrific.

As for the rest "I have holes" sums it up. Humor fell flat. They've really dialed in what an MCU movie does and the beats are familiar and "samey" throughout.

Not gonna say I'm over it, but the whole universe is on life support. Still excited for Loki S2.
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I think I preferred Jonathan Majors in Loki season 1.
I connected much more with that Kang. I still remember him and his scenes. I liked him better.
This Kang I already forgot some of his scenes and dialogue.


ghostsarejerks said:
Saw a TikTok that pointed out how awful and privileged Cassie is: she's running amok at a protest using her grandfather's propriety discovery to mess with cops. She's not using her family's hugely powerful and influential company and status as Avengers and saviors of the planet to advocate for change. Then her dad bails her out and she lectures him from the backseat of his luxury vehicle.

This whole plot line felt extremely shallow and misguided. It only really serves to drive a wedge between Scott and Cassie. I feel like there's enough dramatic tension in a father not wanting his daughter (who idolizes him) to become entangled in super heroics and all the danger that entails.
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It kinda makes no sense for the avengers universe to have poverty when the ant man technology can solve everything. Just build houses very little and grow them. Grow food 20 times bigger.

I kept thinking of this scene lol

 
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Saw it this morning and I had a fun time! Not thought provoking or earth shattering cinema but I certainly didn't come out of the theater pining the death of the MCU or anything. I think I'm somewhat less agitated by any 'overall' takes of the MCU as a whole because I simply don't force myself to watch every project that comes out. If something looks interesting to me or I already have an attachment to the main character, I'll catch it. If not, I'll skip it. Maybe it'd be different if I was watching every MCU project but if they just left me disappointed I probably wouldn't keep watching them.

The story of Quantumania is a take it or leave it plot that services the main idea of further introducing/cementing Kang as the next big bad of the MCU. At that, I think it really succeeds. While Majors absolutely knocks it out of the park, showing tremendous range and versatility and fierceness and utmost menace. The idea that this Kang was one of them trying to STOP the rest of the Kangs yet is a terrifying monster just has me super pumped for the convergence of Kangs. I think the idea of a multiversal villain of multiple number is a really fun path to take after the Goliath that was Thanos and how he was built up as the singularity of badness in the first MCU saga.

I enjoyed the Pym-Lang family and thought each had a proper good showing. Paul Rudd just continues to be one of the best damn things in the MCU for me, right up there with the likes of Downey Jr, Hemsworth and Evans. I was worried that the Pyms all being involved would clutter the movie but I think they shared the limelight well. Likewise I had trepidtation with shoehorning Cassie into the hero role but I think she held her own here and didn't detract at all. I think the humor was balanced almost perfectly and the tension felt ratcheted when it needed to be. I can see where MODOK would cause fan outrage but I didn't mind his role at all, he was never played as a true, deadly threat so I don't see the harm in using him how he was.

For all the criticism of the special effects, I didn't really gleam any atrocious CGI in my eyes. MODOK looks goofy but I feel that's intentionally his design. I don't doubt the special effects artists and studios are supremely overworked but for taking place almost entirely in a the quantum realm with its assortment of alien outposts and odd creatures it looked damn good.

My two major complaints would be that it just didn't FEEL like an Ant-Man film. In the lead up to Quantumania I re-watched the first two Ant-Man films and what makes them play out so well is how grounded in reality they are. At their heart they're comedy-action heist films. Scott Lang is a down to earth dude given the gift of amazing technology yet unlike Iron-Man he's never cocky or playboyish. He tries his best and almost always focuses on his family and loved ones first and foremost. So to see him as a memoir author who likes the limelight seems slightly off. Doubly so for the setting here. While I enjoyed the quantum realm, it just doesn't feel like it fits in an Ant-Man film. This felt like someone spilled the Pym-Lang clan into a Guardians of the Galaxy story with it's array of weird locales and outlandish characters. I get the conceit that this was just a means to introduce Kang to the wider viewing audience but I don't think the Ant-Man films really fit there.

And that's my ultimate qualm with the film:

Ant-Man should have died at the end of the film. It was right there for the PERFECT culmination of the threat of Kang, the heroic, good will of Scott, the propulsion of the next Avengers level threat and would have more than lived up to the billing of this jump starting this MCU phase with an absolute bang. He should have sacrificed himself to end this Kang variant and solidifed the stakes that are careening to the rest of our known characters. This then would have propelled the Pym-Lang family into a race to warn the rest of the Avengers. It would have been such a crushing finale to have the rest of Scott's family mourning him in the last scene before rightly confiding with each other that they need to alert someone that something BIG is coming.

Instead, everything is a-ok and we're having a birthday party and not worried about the FACT that this guy just told them all there's more of him coming and they're actually worse. The moment Lang theorizes that he may have doomed existence itself before it gets turned into a joke is the EXACT tone this film should have ended on. It's just a monumental missed opportunity. In Loki we got a gentle, wise, peaceful Kang that warned us of the potential of his own self. Here we got to actually SEE just how merciless and evil a Kang can be and I am fine with him being ultimately defeated, he just NEEDED to take something of worth with him to continue to stack the stakes. It would have been the shellshock the MCU really needs to re-ignite right now and start gaining traction. We're in a real weird position where we the audience are being told repeatedly that Kang is someone to be feared yet the very universe we're watching really doesn't feel the same outside of Loki who is trapped away in some other universe, not the one we've been following.

It's a good movie with a huge misstep, IMO.
 
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My thing is it’s fine but definitely not a good movie

like most MCU film used to work on there own and connect things. Now it’s just a mess

like it sucks they wasted Paul Rudd in this who has some amazing moments but in the end this still wasn’t as good as antman one. Which the first film isn’t bad but it’s a good movie with a generic plot just sucks they couldn’t make this film special
 
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82% drop Friday over Friday….

I think this movie may struggle to hit $30M in only its second weekend (Cocaine Bear beat out Ant Man on Friday by $300K). I think poor word of mouth and again the front loaded nature of MCU films is a big factor here, but it’s on pace for an uncharacteristically bad second weekend and a drop of over 70%.
 
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Poor word of mouth for most the MCU after end game is going to start hurting them

they will make money but less then they should because they clearly aren’t as focused as they have been like the first three phases
 
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Ant Man 3 on its way to being the lowest worldwide grossing Ant-Man movie. That says a lot too.
 
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I hope GotG3 is good

I bet the marvels is near this level of film
 
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I hope GotG3 is good

I bet the marvels is near this level of film
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I have faith in James Gunn. Which is also why Iger and Feige need to be worried.

If the MCU continues down this route and the Gunn-verse is really good, then I’ll actually start to go see DC movies in theaters consistently if I have confidence they’ll be good.

I’m getting close to cutting ties with the MCU (at least as far as seeing every movie in theaters) if this saga stays flat.
 
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Saw it this morning and I had a fun time! Not thought provoking or earth shattering cinema but I certainly didn't come out of the theater pining the death of the MCU or anything. I think I'm somewhat less agitated by any 'overall' takes of the MCU as a whole because I simply don't force myself to watch every project that comes out. If something looks interesting to me or I already have an attachment to the main character, I'll catch it. If not, I'll skip it. Maybe it'd be different if I was watching every MCU project but if they just left me disappointed I probably wouldn't keep watching them.

The story of Quantumania is a take it or leave it plot that services the main idea of further introducing/cementing Kang as the next big bad of the MCU. At that, I think it really succeeds. While Majors absolutely knocks it out of the park, showing tremendous range and versatility and fierceness and utmost menace. The idea that this Kang was one of them trying to STOP the rest of the Kangs yet is a terrifying monster just has me super pumped for the convergence of Kangs. I think the idea of a multiversal villain of multiple number is a really fun path to take after the Goliath that was Thanos and how he was built up as the singularity of badness in the first MCU saga.

I enjoyed the Pym-Lang family and thought each had a proper good showing. Paul Rudd just continues to be one of the best damn things in the MCU for me, right up there with the likes of Downey Jr, Hemsworth and Evans. I was worried that the Pyms all being involved would clutter the movie but I think they shared the limelight well. Likewise I had trepidtation with shoehorning Cassie into the hero role but I think she held her own here and didn't detract at all. I think the humor was balanced almost perfectly and the tension felt ratcheted when it needed to be. I can see where MODOK would cause fan outrage but I didn't mind his role at all, he was never played as a true, deadly threat so I don't see the harm in using him how he was.

For all the criticism of the special effects, I didn't really gleam any atrocious CGI in my eyes. MODOK looks goofy but I feel that's intentionally his design. I don't doubt the special effects artists and studios are supremely overworked but for taking place almost entirely in a the quantum realm with its assortment of alien outposts and odd creatures it looked damn good.

My two major complaints would be that it just didn't FEEL like an Ant-Man film. In the lead up to Quantumania I re-watched the first two Ant-Man films and what makes them play out so well is how grounded in reality they are. At their heart they're comedy-action heist films. Scott Lang is a down to earth dude given the gift of amazing technology yet unlike Iron-Man he's never cocky or playboyish. He tries his best and almost always focuses on his family and loved ones first and foremost. So to see him as a memoir author who likes the limelight seems slightly off. Doubly so for the setting here. While I enjoyed the quantum realm, it just doesn't feel like it fits in an Ant-Man film. This felt like someone spilled the Pym-Lang clan into a Guardians of the Galaxy story with it's array of weird locales and outlandish characters. I get the conceit that this was just a means to introduce Kang to the wider viewing audience but I don't think the Ant-Man films really fit there.

And that's my ultimate qualm with the film:

Ant-Man should have died at the end of the film. It was right there for the PERFECT culmination of the threat of Kang, the heroic, good will of Scott, the propulsion of the next Avengers level threat and would have more than lived up to the billing of this jump starting this MCU phase with an absolute bang. He should have sacrificed himself to end this Kang variant and solidifed the stakes that are careening to the rest of our known characters. This then would have propelled the Pym-Lang family into a race to warn the rest of the Avengers. It would have been such a crushing finale to have the rest of Scott's family mourning him in the last scene before rightly confiding with each other that they need to alert someone that something BIG is coming.

Instead, everything is a-ok and we're having a birthday party and not worried about the FACT that this guy just told them all there's more of him coming and they're actually worse. The moment Lang theorizes that he may have doomed existence itself before it gets turned into a joke is the EXACT tone this film should have ended on. It's just a monumental missed opportunity. In Loki we got a gentle, wise, peaceful Kang that warned us of the potential of his own self. Here we got to actually SEE just how merciless and evil a Kang can be and I am fine with him being ultimately defeated, he just NEEDED to take something of worth with him to continue to stack the stakes. It would have been the shellshock the MCU really needs to re-ignite right now and start gaining traction. We're in a real weird position where we the audience are being told repeatedly that Kang is someone to be feared yet the very universe we're watching really doesn't feel the same outside of Loki who is trapped away in some other universe, not the one we've been following.

It's a good movie with a huge misstep, IMO.
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About the thing you said on spoilers.
Not ant man, but Hank definitely. The set up and pay off were right there. Literally setting it up.

What you said was said by YouTube reviews but about Hank. It needed to be with Hank or Janet.
 
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Rumors are this film cost about 200 Million and its doing fine at the Box Office but hope they take these signs and do better because I could see this being the last saga for the MCU at this rate, could be wrong but they are putting lots of money into this and only getting normal returns back I could see them trying to find a new golden goose
 
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Rumors are this film cost about 200 Million and its doing fine at the Box Office but hope they take these signs and do better because I could see this being the last saga for the MCU at this rate, could be wrong but they are putting lots of money into this and only getting normal returns back I could see them trying to find a new golden goose
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It cost $200M for the PRODUCTION budget. There's many more costs associated with a movie including marketing, back-end deals, etc, etc. They ran a pretty decent marketting campaign for this movie so let's say they spent at least around as much as they did for Love & Thunder. The breakeven point with all costs taken into account for L&T was around $650M-$700M and Ant-Man 3 is projected to do worse Worldwide than second film and potentially worse or barely better than the first film (inflation adjusted it would be far worse).

This movie is doing anything but fine for a major MCU film. I still agree people making a fuss about the films last year and how much they made were overreacting since Strange 2 almost hit $1B, Thor 4 was the best performing Thor movie, and BP 2 did over $850M. But there is major room for concern even for an Ant-Man film doing as bad as this one is doing. What it shows is that the MCU is losing some of their audience AND that this movie is seeing very little rewatches. The MCU relies a lot on opening weekend and the fans who go and see the movies multiple times make up a decent amount of the business for each movie. With the word of mouth being so bad and people coming out feeling pretty meh on it (it got a "B-" CinemaScore, tied for the lowest in the MCU with Eternals), they just aren't going back.
 
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About the thing you said on spoilers.
Not ant man, but Hank definitely. The set up and pay off were right there. Literally setting it up.

What you said was said by YouTube reviews but about Hank. It needed to be with Hank or Janet.
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If it was Hank, Janet or both, fine.

It just wouldn't have the same impact that Kang killing off Scott Lang would. Even as a nonchalant supporter of the MCU, a death that big would have been the massive inciting incident this new saga desperately needs. We had a whole phase centered seemingly around the idea of Marvel getting to have its cake and eat it to by having a lot of fun with multiversal stories and getting casual audiences up to speed with that core idea and that's fine and dandy but it's time to start putting the gears in motion for the bigger fight against Kang.

There's no Infinity Stones in play here. Kang(s) isn't slowly gaining power and forming a plan, from what we know he can appear at any time and just wreck havoc on our timeline. It would be nice to have the sense of urgency that would come with the death of an Avenger in the world. Instead the Pym-Langs sort of know there might be some danger ahead but don't seem that compelled to do anything about it and Loki is fully aware and on the trail of the Kangs. Outside of them who cares about Kang and why should they?

I get the idea that something is off after the Pym-Langs return to the normal world (there's an abudance of Kang color scheme suddenly, people react to him differently, it's like they came back into a different universe) but it just would have been such a serious propulsion of the universe if Kang had killed Ant-Man and the Pym-Langs were suddenly on the run to find help and warn the rest of the Avengers. Would have been a nice comparison with the gather of the Council of Kangs that we got.
 
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If it was Hank, Janet or both, fine.

It just wouldn't have the same impact that Kang killing off Scott Lang would. Even as a nonchalant supporter of the MCU, a death that big would have been the massive inciting incident this new saga desperately needs. We had a whole phase centered seemingly around the idea of Marvel getting to have its cake and eat it to by having a lot of fun with multiversal stories and getting casual audiences up to speed with that core idea and that's fine and dandy but it's time to start putting the gears in motion for the bigger fight against Kang.

There's no Infinity Stones in play here. Kang(s) isn't slowly gaining power and forming a plan, from what we know he can appear at any time and just wreck havoc on our timeline. It would be nice to have the sense of urgency that would come with the death of an Avenger in the world. Instead the Pym-Langs sort of know there might be some danger ahead but don't seem that compelled to do anything about it and Loki is fully aware and on the trail of the Kangs. Outside of them who cares about Kang and why should they?

I get the idea that something is off after the Pym-Langs return to the normal world (there's an abudance of Kang color scheme suddenly, people react to him differently, it's like they came back into a different universe) but it just would have been such a serious propulsion of the universe if Kang had killed Ant-Man and the Pym-Langs were suddenly on the run to find help and warn the rest of the Avengers. Would have been a nice comparison with the gather of the Council of Kangs that we got.
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Agreed, the movie stakes felt low.

My fear is nothing big will happen until the next Avengers film, rumors are Kang is going to show up in more then one upcoming shows and if no one dies until the movie...then it feels like filler/making him not a threat.

Thanos showed up and killed Loki and handel and beat Hulk.....so yeah we need more of that before the next big film
 
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