Illumination presents Sing

[Mad Dog]

Now that i've actually looked it up, I wanted to actually address something from last night that we were talking about, which is soundtrack sales.

Moana has been #1 on the Billboard Soundtrack Albums chart for all 6 weeks of it's release and Sing has only peaked at #3, with Trolls (which has been on the charts for 14 weeks) still ahead of it at #2.

As for raw numbers, those are harder to find, but I do know that as of Jan. 2, Moana was still #6 on the Billboard 200 with 53,000 sold and Sing did not make the top 10.

Not that it's a huge deal, but @Mad Dog, if you could show me where you saw that Sing was selling better i'd love to see it. Maybe I missed it as I only looked for a few minutes and pulled up a few things, but everything I saw pointed to Moana as a much stronger selling force.

I never said that. I only referred to the strong movie box office.

 

[UNIrd]

"How Far I'll Go" from Moana is a GREAT song. It didn't strike a chord with me at first but I'm glad they hammer it home by having a reprise and then the pop version in the movie. I left humming it.

I haven't seen Sing but I do really like the Stevie Wonder/Ariana Grande song "Faith." Not sure how it's featured in the movie.

 

[Nick]

I never said that. I only referred to the strong movie box office.

My bad, it was @quinnmac000 who said that now that I look back.

 

[ThemeParks4Life]

I actually liked this movie quite a bit. It's easily Illumination's best to date.

 

[Andysol]

I actually liked this movie quite a bit. It's easily Illumination's best to date.

Easily? Better than DM? I think you're going to have a hard time finding those who would agree with you that it's "easily" their best...

 

[quinnmac000]

My bad, it was @quinnmac000 who said that now that I look back.

The world is bigger than just the US you know. Album sales from around the world. And billboard includes streaming not just pure album sales. WIth Spotify and radio having a larger impact than actual bought songs. Which is how Psy managed to rise on the charts with Gangnam Style and Gentlemen despite not really selling any tracks.

Worldwide iTunes Album Chart

As of December 10th 2016, Trolls album had sold 251, 000 pure album sales worldwide
GLOBAL ALBUM CHART

 

[Andysol]

The world is bigger than just the US you know. Album sales from around the world. And billboard includes streaming not just pure album sales. WIth Spotify and radio having a larger impact than actual bought songs. Which is how Psy managed to rise on the charts with Gangnam Style and Gentlemen despite not really selling any tracks.

Worldwide iTunes Album Chart

As of December 10th 2016, Trolls album had sold 251, 000 pure album sales worldwide
GLOBAL ALBUM CHART

Eh- even using your Worldwide iTunes Album Chart you provided, Since March 2011, Sing has a total of 142,280 "Points" in position 3110 while Moana has 194,205 "Points" in position 2207. In other words, Sing has 70% the "points" that Moana has or 1,000 albums separating the two. No idea what "points" are, but Moana has more of them.

Regardless, shouldn't streaming be included for "popularity"? I know we don't "own" the Moana soundtrack, but its been played 100 times at our house.

 

[quinnmac000]

Eh- even using your Worldwide iTunes Album Chart you provided, Since March 2011, Sing has a total of 142,280 "Points" in position 3110 while Moana has 194,205 "Points" in position 2207. In other words, Sing has 70% the "points" that Moana has or 1,000 albums separating the two. No idea what "points" are, but Moana has more of them.

Regardless, shouldn't streaming be included for "popularity"? I know we don't "own" the Moana soundtrack, but its been played 100 times at our house.

Chart positions is whats currently popular. SING and Trolls worldwide is what people are buying more so than Moana. Points are number of sales. The position is number of positions in order of how well it is doing. The totals chart is misleading as its all the sales total. Moana has a 20 day lead on SING of course it should sell more but more people are going out to buy SING out more which shows that its trending better and will eventually outsell Moana if the trend continues so than Moana and Trolls more so than both which my point said in my original post. In comparison Trolls has 619,525 points.

Streaming is inherently flawed as if I keep a song on repeat all day its doesn't count as just one but every listen counts where as an album buy only gets counted once per sale despite you listening to it a 100 times. Therefore its easier to manipulate in a companies favor as someone can just make an endless playlist of the same song creating an inflated chart position for the album/song which has happened.

 

[Nick]

Eh- even using your Worldwide iTunes Album Chart you provided, Since March 2011, Sing has a total of 142,280 "Points" in position 3110 while Moana has 194,205 "Points" in position 2207. In other words, Sing has 70% the "points" that Moana has or 1,000 albums separating the two. No idea what "points" are, but Moana has more of them.

Regardless, shouldn't streaming be included for "popularity"? I know we don't "own" the Moana soundtrack, but its been played 100 times at our house.

Streaming certainly should count and artists still get paid for streaming content so i'm not sure why that's being ruled out when Streaming is the main way people listen to music these days.

 

[quinnmac000]

Streaming certainly should count and artists still get paid for streaming content so i'm not sure why that's being ruled out when Streaming is the main way people listen to music these days.

Not only in the movie box office but soundtrack sales are stronger than Moana as well and Trolls has sold more than both. Its beginning to look like a great year for Universal.

Streaming gives you .003 cents for every stream. So its doesn't do that much hints why Taylor Swift went on that huge rant of not wanting to do spotify and took her albums off Spotify.

 

[Nick]

Ok, but how does Universal gain from the Trolls soundtrack selling well? 20th Century Fox Distributed the film and RCA distributed the Soundtrack. This was underway well before Dreamworks was bought-out by Comcast.

I honestly don't even care about this stuff much, I just brought it back up as a question and you seem to take offense to it for some reason. Just because something sells well doesn't mean it has staying power is my point. Top 40 tunes of Trolls (I will say Trolls did have a really nice soundtrack though, even the original music) and Sing are less likely to be something that reminds people of each movie than the original songs in Moana.

Remember how we talk a lot about just because Avatar is the #1 highest grossing movie of all-time it doesn't mean people care about it? That's what i'm getting at.

 

[quinnmac000]

Ok, but how does Universal gain from the Trolls soundtrack selling well? 20th Century Fox Distributed the film and RCA distributed the Soundtrack. This was underway well before Dreamworks was bought-out by Comcast.

I honestly don't even care about this stuff much, I just brought it back up as a question and you seem to take offense to it for some reason. Just because something sells well doesn't mean it has staying power is my point. Top 40 tunes of Trolls (I will say Trolls did have a really nice soundtrack though, even the original music) and Sing are less likely to be something that reminds people of each movie than the original songs in Moana.

Remember how we talk a lot about just because Avatar is the #1 highest grossing movie of all-time it doesn't mean people care about it? That's what i'm getting at.

They own Trolls 100% though and the rights to the songs used in the films thanks to the purchase. Secondly, music sales were brought up as thats what helped boost Frozen into going viral thanks to Let it Go being covered millions of times online. Soundtracks doing well means people were interested enough in the film to what to listen to the music and can give a rough estimate to the amount of people going to see the movie and somewhat enjoyed it which bodes well for Universal as they more likely with exploit the IP.

 

[Nick]

They own Trolls 100% though and the rights to the songs used in the films thanks to the purchase. Secondly, music sales were brought up as thats what helped boost Frozen into going viral thanks to Let it Go being covered millions of times online. Soundtracks doing well means people were interested enough in the film to what to listen to the music and can give a rough estimate to the amount of people going to see the movie and somewhat enjoyed it which bodes well for Universal as they more likely with exploit the IP.

They own the rights to the movie Trolls, of course Fox still has a stake in that and they will release the Blu-Ray.

Also, the movie was based on Troll dolls of the 1980's which made this movie possible via a licensing deal with Mattel.

There's a lot about Trolls that Uni has little control over... going back to the music too. When Dreamworks hired Justin Timberlake to write and produce the music for the film, he got full credit for the entire soundtrack and he makes a nice chunk of the soundtrack's sales from what I read (no surprise as his hit "Can't Stop The Feeling!" helped make people interested in not only the soundtrack but the movie).

Trolls is certainly not a simple case for Universal, much less simple than an original creation like SLoP.

 

[quinnmac000]

They own the rights to the movie Trolls, of course Fox still has a stake in that and they will release the Blu-Ray.

Also, the movie was based on Troll dolls of the 1980's which made this movie possible via a licensing deal with Mattel.

There's a lot about Trolls that Uni has little control over... going back to the music too. When Dreamworks hired Justin Timberlake to write and produce the music for the film, he got full credit for the entire soundtrack and he makes a nice chunk of the soundtrack's sales from what I read (no surprise as his hit "Can't Stop The Feeling!" helped make people interested in not only the soundtrack but the movie).

Trolls is certainly not a simple case for Universal, much less simple than an original creation like SLoP.

DreamWorks Animation Acquires Troll Dolls IP | Hollywood Reporter They fully own trolls including the dolls and everything that goes with it except in Scandavia.

 

[Andysol]

Streaming is inherently flawed as if I keep a song on repeat all day its doesn't count as just one but every listen counts where as an album buy only gets counted once per sale despite you listening to it a 100 times. Therefore its easier to manipulate in a companies favor as someone can just make an endless playlist of the same song creating an inflated chart position for the album/song which has happened.

Ok. I give. Disney clearly employs millions of people playing Moana on repeat.

 

[Nick]

DreamWorks Animation Acquires Troll Dolls IP | Hollywood Reporter They fully own trolls including the dolls and everything that goes with it except in Scandavia.

Good for them I guess since Troll Dolls were the #2 selling toy in 2016 I believe.

We've gotten way off track from Sing though and quite frankly, as i've said multiple times, I really don't care either way who is selling more. I was only inquiring where you got your information and you provided that so now I see where you are coming from better.

 

[ThemeParks4Life]

Easily? Better than DM? I think you're going to have a hard time finding those who would agree with you that it's "easily" their best...

The Despicable Me series is overrated IMO. The main two are fine but disposable kids flicks, and Minions is just awful.

 

[Nick]

The Despicable Me series is overrated IMO. The main two are fine but disposable kids flicks, and Minions is just awful.

I mean, let's be honest, Illuminations niche is disposable kid flicks. Nothing wrong with it I guess and they tend to make a lot of money, but they aren't making award winning films either so to expect anything more than disposable flicks from them is probably expecting too much.

 

[GAcoaster]

While people are gaga over the Moana soundtrack and absolutely love it, Sing has a distinct advantage using music people know already. The movie reminds people of the songs they love and the songs playing remind people of the movie. I haven't seen either movie or heard their soundtracks I already know the songs from Sing because I own a radio.

 

[Nick]

While people are gaga over the Moana soundtrack and absolutely love it, Sing has a distinct advantage using music people know already. The movie reminds people of the songs they love and the songs playing remind people of the movie. I haven't seen either movie or heard their soundtracks I already know the songs from Sing because I own a radio.

Which is why it's performing well.

As I said a page or so back though, the music in Sing is never going to be remembered for being in Sing... it will be remembered for being a Top 40 hit.

When someone hears music from Moana, they will automatically think of the movie. This is also why Jukebox musicals rarely succeed on broadway.