Tenet

[Jamesh22]

I think we are venturing off topic here now guys.

I'm looking forward to seeing it in a few weeks - definitely a mid day and mid week watch when there is hardly anyone in the theatre (hopefully!)

I do get some of the views about Nolan's films. I think this is what happens when a Director is given too much freedom/power - just like Peter Jackson with the Hobbit movies. Both too much power and too much studios medling can be a problem, something in between seems to deliver the best movies.

 

[Tobias]

So WB is rolling with well...a choice for Drive-In Theater operators. If indoor theaters can't show the Tenet in your market, you can't either!



One, why would you try preventing any possible chance of getting money?
Two, if you're so concerned over spoilers being leaked...you shouldn't be showing this worldwide a couple weeks before domestic.
Third, I repeat, money. Money. It's what you need to make, so preventing other theaters from helping you make it is mind-boggling.

 

[TheGentTrent]

So WB is rolling with well...a choice for Drive-In Theater operators. If indoor theaters can't show the Tenet in your market, you can't either!



One, why would you try preventing any possible chance of getting money?
Two, if you're so concerned over spoilers being leaked...you shouldn't be showing this worldwide a couple weeks before domestic.
Third, I repeat, money. Money. It's what you need to make, so preventing other theaters from helping you make it is mind-boggling.

O:

 

[PerceptiveCoot]

So WB is rolling with well...a choice for Drive-In Theater operators. If indoor theaters can't show the Tenet in your market, you can't either!



One, why would you try preventing any possible chance of getting money?
Two, if you're so concerned over spoilers being leaked...you shouldn't be showing this worldwide a couple weeks before domestic.
Third, I repeat, money. Money. It's what you need to make, so preventing other theaters from helping you make it is mind-boggling.

Every decision they've made about this movie just makes Nolan and Warner seem like shitty, unflexible people.

 

[Nick]

Here's the thing about this movie - it's got a weird contract stipulation in place for Nolan. Nolan gets a whopping 20% of the box office of this film. WB is already losing money because of this situation, I think this could well be something they are taking into account.

Also, before you guys say that "drive ins would bring in money", sure, they would. But they would also cause market confusion. In NY and LA for example, they probably want the movie to open there all at once instead of the confusion of "you can't see it in your area because movie theaters aren't open... oh but actually drive ins are showing it". They are probably going to open the movie in NY and LA around the same time and run a full ad campaign there. It's better just to wait if you are WB.

 

[Teebin]

Here's the thing about this movie - it's got a weird contract stipulation in place for Nolan. Nolan gets a whopping 20% of the box office of this film.

But isn’t there some kind of contingency on the 20%... like retro if it makes over 1 billion or something?

 

[PerceptiveCoot]

Don't most directors of Nolan's caliber get some kickback on grosses? I think it's not uncommon for figures like Spielberg or James Cameron to receive a significant percentage of box office or at the very least a portion of the first week's grosses.

 

[Nick]

But isn’t there some kind of contingency on the 20%... like retro if it makes over 1 billion or something?

Nope. This is why Nolan has had such a hard stance on it hitting theaters.

Nolan will reportedly receive 20 percent of Tenet‘s first dollar gross, which means he gets a percentage of the box office revenue beginning with the film’s release rather than when the movie finally turns a profit. This is not the first time Nolan and WB have negotiated such as deal, but it is still a rarity typically reserved for upper-echelon filmmakers.

Christopher Nolan Stands to Make a Mountain of Money If ‘Tenet’ Hits Theaters

The director is set to receive 20% of the film’s first dollar gross. Here’s what those numbers look like.

observer.com

Christopher Nolan Stands To Make A Lot Of Money From Tenet In Old-School Deal With WB

This stuff doesn't usually happen any more.

screenrant.com

Don't most directors of Nolan's caliber get some kickback on grosses? I think it's not uncommon for figures like Spielberg or James Cameron to receive a significant percentage of box office or at the very least a portion of the first week's grosses.

Only the select few that are in his league. This is not common studios practice by any means, which is why WB needs this film to not just get them in the black or be a moderate success, but be a hit.

 

[Skubersky]

Saw tonight’s 6pm “early release” at Universal Cinemark in XD. No spoilers, but it wasn’t worth going to a theater for. Some impressive set pieces, but overall my least favorite Nolan film ever.

 

[Andysol]

Saw tonight’s 6pm “early release” at Universal Cinemark in XD. No spoilers, but it wasn’t worth going to a theater for. Some impressive set pieces, but overall my least favorite Nolan film ever.

Agreed.

I’ll say this- If you thought inception was even the slightest bit confusing at first watch, just wait until you see Tenet.

By far the most confusing movie I’ve ever seen. Still watchable and had good action and as you say really good set pieces. The plane crash scene (In trailer so not a spoiler) was excellent. But overall, meh.

John Washington was great in the action role but does not have nearly the charm of his old man. Far too serious and not a ton of range in this. Part of me wonders if they had an actor that had a small amount of charm and wit would have been better. Even a smirk here and there would’ve made his character so much better.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

I like myself a very complex movie from time to time. That said, I wonder if “reopening” politics are driving the negative-ish reviews so far?

 

[Andysol]

I like myself a very complex movie from time to time. That said, I wonder if “reopening” politics are driving the negative-ish reviews so far?

I also enjoy complex movies that leave you thinking but this one is going to take some reading about and rewatching.

Re: negative reviews- I don’t think so. After seeing it, both the positive and negative reviews seem pretty spot on.

Nolan fans are going to enjoy it because it’s got tons of twists and it’s very complex to where it’ll be impossible to grasp it in its entirety on first watch.

Casual fans will also enjoy it because the set pieces and action were great. But I think it’s fair that many will leave the theater more confused or curious about what they just watched than excited or enthused about what they just watched.

While it was confusing and all, I still rather enjoyed it. Again, my only major critique was that the characters were extremely one dimensional and the lead needed some charm in the worst way. The villain was very effective at being a villain, but again; very one dimensional and Nolan should’ve pulled out way more on that end.
At the end of the day, it was a highly complicated international spy thriller, which requires some charm from the lead. Damon as Bourne was an emotional basket case compared to Washington in this. Not that Washington was bad, just flat.

 

[RevFreako]

I like myself a very complex movie from time to time. That said, I wonder if “reopening” politics are driving the negative-ish reviews so far?

Hasn't even come up in any of the reviews I've read. I'm skipping because i don't like Nolan's work, but the reviews are reinforcing my decision

 

[Bort]

Saw it last night at one of the early access screenings, and loved it. I spent equally as long researching the film online after it ended as I did watching the actual film. Usually I would just buy a ticket and re-watch to pick up on new things, but with the world in its current state, I'll probably wait til it releases on DVD/On-Demand to get a second viewing in.

One of my favorite aspects of the film was the score. Ludwig Goransson did a phenomenal job stepping into a role that usually is held by Zimmer. Goransson is building a body of work that puts him up there with some of the biggest soundtrack composers in Hollywood history IMO.

 

[Andysol]

Saw it last night at one of the early access screenings, and loved it. I spent equally as long researching the film online after it ended as I did watching the actual film. Usually I would just buy a ticket and re-watch to pick up on new things, but with the world in its current state, I'll probably wait til it releases on DVD/On-Demand to get a second viewing in.

One of my favorite aspects of the film was the score. Ludwig Goransson did a phenomenal job stepping into a role that usually is held by Zimmer. Goransson is building a body of work that puts him up there with some of the biggest soundtrack composers in Hollywood history IMO.

DON'T OPEN SPOILER UNLESS YOU'VE WATCHED THE MOVIE

Spoiler

What the heck did they do with the other "kat" who wasn't shot and was coming back from shore on the boat? Final clip is her with her kid after the protagonist kills Priya. And she obviously knew what was up and had the phone, so she was the one who was shot. So what'd they do with healthy not-shot kat?

 

[Skubersky]

DON'T OPEN SPOILER UNLESS YOU'VE WATCHED THE MOVIE

Spoiler

What the heck did they do with the other "kat" who wasn't shot and was coming back from shore on the boat? Final clip is her with her kid after the protagonist kills Priya. And she obviously knew what was up and had the phone, so she was the one who was shot. So what'd they do with healthy not-shot kat?

Spoiler

I assume not-shot Kat continues with the events as seen, and becomes shot Kat. Everything that happens, happens.

 

[Andysol]

Spoiler

I assume not-shot Kat continues with the events as seen, and becomes shot Kat. Everything that happens, happens.

Spoiler

But she killed Sator. Unless when he comes back on his helicopter, that's a past/future version of himself after he got the cyanide pill from the protagonist in the beginning of the film.

I'm guessing that's it.

Maybe I'm liking it more now that 24hrs have past. You?

 

[Bort]

Spoiler

Pulled from Reddit, but does a good job explaining how 2 versions of one person won’t exist permanately.

“ok let me try to make an example. So you have one of the reversal machines. You go into the red side and come out of the blue one with time running backwards. You can also reenter the blue side and come out the red side with time running forwards again.

Let's say you went to a swimming pool on a Wednesday, then on Saturday you went into the red side and reverted time around you, coming out of the blue door. Now you spend 5 days in reverse wearing your oxygen mask and see the world revert to the past, days passing in reverse Friday, Thursday, Wednesday, Tuesday, Monday. Now on Monday you go back into the machine from the blue side, coming out of the red. Time is running forwards again and you don't need the mask to breathe. You are now your future self from 1 week in the future back on the first Monday. Now if the future you goes to a roof of a building near the pool with binoculars (yeah pretty creepy) on Wednesday you can see your past self enjoying a day at the pool. You are in the same world at the same piece of time, but you are not clones of each other. You are the same person one older, one younger version. The younger version will get into the portal on Saturday and complete the loop, disappearing into the machine. The future you who is now out of the machine since 5 days will just continue as usual and from Saturday on there is just one version of you”

This means that following that although it looks like two Kats exist in the same world, the younger version will eventually go through the events of the film herself, culminating in her killing Sator on the yacht and jumping off, which completes the loop.

 

[Nick]

I’m not going to go see this movie, but I LOVE that we’re back to a point where we are now excitedly talking about blockbuster films again and using spoiler tags.

IMPORTANT: We normally have a 2-week policy for using spoiler tags, however, only 62% of US theaters are open and NY, SF and LA aren’t open yet which are the 3 biggest markets.

Due to this, it complicates things more than we would like, so we’ll hold off longer to lift the spoiler tags for blockbusters for a little while since not everyone may have the chance to see it that wants to.

 

[Skubersky]

Spoiler

But she killed Sator. Unless when he comes back on his helicopter, that's a past/future version of himself after he got the cyanide pill from the protagonist in the beginning of the film.

I'm guessing that's it.

Maybe I'm liking it more now that 24hrs have past. You?

Eh, not really. I’m sure it will be more rewarding on second viewing, but that doesn’t change the fact that I was bored or unengaged for large portions of my first watching.