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Space Jam: A New Legacy

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It's not like it's easy to just make a good movie. There's a reason why Disney dominates the box office, they attract the best creatives and WB's recent offerings have not exactly been creative works of genius.

I get the impression that the only reason this movie is getting made is that fans have been asking for it since the original came out and it should be an easy cash grab.
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I never said it was easy but it can be done.

i just don’t care for excuses, we have enough media if you don’t want to get poop on hire better writers

if they don’t care then cool make the easy money and Don’t mind when your characters aren’t as big as Disney and we forget in a week the movie we just saw
 
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I never said it was easy but it can be done.

i just don’t care for excuses, we have enough media if you don’t want to get poop on hire better writers

if they don’t care then cool make the easy money and Don’t mind when your characters aren’t as big as Disney and we forget in a week the movie we just saw
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They're a business at the end of the day. Sure, they would rather have a great film be a hit but any executive would rather have a piece of crap make a ton of money than a masterpiece bombing.

This is why IP is so important. It sells tickets with less effort and even if Space Jam turns out to be completely horrible, it will still be a moderate success while selling a ton of merchandise and then, Warner Bros will continue to make bad films because they still make money.
 
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They're a business at the end of the day. Sure, they would rather have a great film be a hit but any executive would rather have a piece of crap make a ton of money than a masterpiece bombing.

This is why IP is so important. It sells tickets with less effort and even if Space Jam turns out to be completely horrible, it will still be a moderate success while selling a ton of merchandise and then, Warner Bros will continue to make bad films because they still make money.
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Which is fine but I don't want them or their fans to be upset when people lay out the truth that something like Lego Movie was fun but then made crappy sequels and spin offs that no one cares about.

This could be great, i know the first film was just another sports movie with cartoons in it but for sure could be just something really fun and funny that also could help bring the Looney Tunes out of their hiding but....sure lets spend 100 million less because we could make lifetime fans of the characters and make some movie people see once never think about again and move on.

To me I can at least respect Disney, not all films work they suck at live action 99% of the time outside the MCU and literally took them like 5 films and a TV show to finally get what people want from Star Wars but hey we are here aren't we? They spent the money and now Gorgo and Mando are top tier money characters
 
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Which is fine but I don't want them or their fans to be upset when people lay out the truth that something like Lego Movie was fun but then made crappy sequels and spin offs that no one cares about.

This could be great, i know the first film was just another sports movie with cartoons in it but for sure could be just something really fun and funny that also could help bring the Looney Tunes out of their hiding but....sure lets spend 100 million less because we could make lifetime fans of the characters and make some movie people see once never think about again and move on.

To me I can at least respect Disney, not all films work they suck at live action 99% of the time outside the MCU and literally took them like 5 films and a TV show to finally get what people want from Star Wars but hey we are here aren't we? They spent the money and now Gorgo and Mando are top tier money characters
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It’s risk though. Spending more doesn’t mean a better product. Star Wars and Marvel are attracting top tier creatives because they want to work on those projects. Sure Space Jam 2 could be good but if the right people don’t want to do it, you get stuck with what we’re getting.
 
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It’s risk though. Spending more doesn’t mean a better product. Star Wars and Marvel are attracting top tier creatives because they want to work on those projects. Sure Space Jam 2 could be good but if the right people don’t want to do it, you get stuck with what we’re getting.
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Its only a risk because they can't decide on what kinda studio they want to be.

The Hobbit films suffered and what could have been two amazing films to go along with the LOTR films are now just ignored and wasted years of time from talented people in the industry. I saw Blade Runner and Dr Sleep and told people to see them and still do but once again when you make so much trash at some point people don't trust you can make good films.

Disney kinda had this in the 2000s and then Bolt and Tangled came out and people trusted them again...and yes I know Pixar was on fire in 2000s but sure most people had no idea the mouse owned the Incredibles nor did they care because Pixar had earned their trust.
Disneyland was a risk, lol but it was a dam good idea and no clue how no one thought of it before but Walt was the first to do it and tool Universal and others 50 years to even get close in most respects.
 
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This is Ready Player One taken to the bizarre extreme

It is only a small clip in a longer film though...I'm excited to see what other goodies are hidden in the movie

I'm expecting this to crack me up as much as the Last Jedi
 
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I'm expecting this to crack me up as much as the Last Jedi
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Rule 65 of the Internet: Never bring up the Last Jedi in a forum, lest the forum be temporarily and ignominiously derailed with Last Jedi discussion.
 
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I heard Last Jedi and I arrived as soon as I could!
 
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I am slightly taken by surprise that Don Cheadle is who they got to play the antagonist. I guess kids may recognize him from Marvel, but casting wise, I would’ve gone with someone more along the lines of a Kevin Hart or Donald Glover in this role.
 
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Its only a risk because they can't decide on what kinda studio they want to be.

The Hobbit films suffered and what could have been two amazing films to go along with the LOTR films are now just ignored and wasted years of time from talented people in the industry. I saw Blade Runner and Dr Sleep and told people to see them and still do but once again when you make so much trash at some point people don't trust you can make good films.

Disney kinda had this in the 2000s and then Bolt and Tangled came out and people trusted them again...and yes I know Pixar was on fire in 2000s but sure most people had no idea the mouse owned the Incredibles nor did they care because Pixar had earned their trust.
Disneyland was a risk, lol but it was a dam good idea and no clue how no one thought of it before but Walt was the first to do it and tool Universal and others 50 years to even get close in most respects.
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There's always a risk. Even Martin Scorsese and Quentin Tarantino struggle to get funding for their movies.

Let's not pretend that Disney is only putting out great and successful films. Rise of Skywalker was rushed and problematic from day 1 and resulted in a trash film but Disney forced the Christmas period opening because they knew that was the best strategy for the best box office return.

Disneyland was a success, WDW was a success, Tokyo Disneyland was a success, so Paris should have been a guaranteed success with no risk, right? No. Galaxy's Edge should have been risk free and a run away success but it wasn't.

In this current covid world we live in, where Warner Bros has essentially released all their new films for virtually free on HBO Max, they're going to be playing it safe for a while.
 
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There's always a risk. Even Martin Scorsese and Quentin Tarantino struggle to get funding for their movies.

Let's not pretend that Disney is only putting out great and successful films. Rise of Skywalker was rushed and problematic from day 1 and resulted in a trash film but Disney forced the Christmas period opening because they knew that was the best strategy for the best box office return.

Disneyland was a success, WDW was a success, Tokyo Disneyland was a success, so Paris should have been a guaranteed success with no risk, right? No. Galaxy's Edge should have been risk free and a run away success but it wasn't.

In this current covid world we live in, where Warner Bros has essentially released all their new films for virtually free on HBO Max, they're going to be playing it safe for a while.
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Lol

Come on lets be fair here making a new theme park in a country with different history and wants than the USA is very different from making a good film

Point is Disney for the most part kills it with the MCU, Animated films and Pixar. I agree they suck at live action but you have enough people who have zero standards to somehow still make money on the live action remakes even if all of them are just worst versions of film you already own.

WB is like I said to all over the place doe god shakes look at the DC super hero movies we went from Zack Syider I think its cool to give Batman a gun/brand people because I have no concept of the character outside of "he looks cool" to fun films like Aquaman/Shazzam.

Its a big part of why they can't take risks because they themselves do not have a good concept of what is good? Look at the new Potter films they have NO idea what they are doing, its worst than Star Wars Sequels at least two of those films have ideas...I may not like them but the new Potter stuff is like rise of skywalkler just making stuff up...did you know this character used to be a human and not a snake? Did you know this character had a half brother?
 
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Lol

Come on lets be fair here making a new theme park in a country with different history and wants than the USA is very different from making a good film

Point is Disney for the most part kills it with the MCU, Animated films and Pixar. I agree they suck at live action but you have enough people who have zero standards to somehow still make money on the live action remakes even if all of them are just worst versions of film you already own.

WB is like I said to all over the place doe god shakes look at the DC super hero movies we went from Zack Syider I think its cool to give Batman a gun/brand people because I have no concept of the character outside of "he looks cool" to fun films like Aquaman/Shazzam.

Its a big part of why they can't take risks because they themselves do not have a good concept of what is good? Look at the new Potter films they have NO idea what they are doing, its worst than Star Wars Sequels at least two of those films have ideas...I may not like them but the new Potter stuff is like rise of skywalkler just making stuff up...did you know this character used to be a human and not a snake? Did you know this character had a half brother?
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You brought up the Disneyland comparison and Paris had the same challenges as Tokyo.

Marvel has been killing it no doubt about it and after Endgame, I couldn't see me getting any more hyped but phase 4 probably has me more excited than ever. Marvel has created a real problem for other studios. They have Kevin Feige and had Jon Favreau at the start. You have Universal and WB looking at their success and instead of copying their plan of starting small and slowly expanding, they're trying to jump straight to Avengers level of success with the Dark Universe and DCEU and have failed miserably.

WB itself has shown that it can do great when working from books when you look at Harry Potter and Game of Thrones but once the books finish and they need to keep going, they quickly run into trouble like you said.

Even having an original book with a built-in fanbase isn't a sure thing, look at how badly Disney messed up Artemis Fowl.

We're at an interesting tipping point of media consumption. With Disney+, Peacock and HBO Max, we should hopefully be seeing more creative risks being taken as budgets get slightly smaller while still being able to maintain a high level of quality.

Warner Bros biggest problem is that it's dealing with big IPs like DC and even Space Jam 2 is comes with its own expectations. Bigger expectations come with bigger budgets. Bigger budgets come with accountants and committees getting involved. Accountants and committees always result in a watered down product.

It's sad but it is what it is.
 
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You brought up the Disneyland comparison and Paris had the same challenges as Tokyo.

Marvel has been killing it no doubt about it and after Endgame, I couldn't see me getting any more hyped but phase 4 probably has me more excited than ever. Marvel has created a real problem for other studios. They have Kevin Feige and had Jon Favreau at the start. You have Universal and WB looking at their success and instead of copying their plan of starting small and slowly expanding, they're trying to jump straight to Avengers level of success with the Dark Universe and DCEU and have failed miserably.

WB itself has shown that it can do great when working from books when you look at Harry Potter and Game of Thrones but once the books finish and they need to keep going, they quickly run into trouble like you said.

Even having an original book with a built-in fanbase isn't a sure thing, look at how badly Disney messed up Artemis Fowl.

We're at an interesting tipping point of media consumption. With Disney+, Peacock and HBO Max, we should hopefully be seeing more creative risks being taken as budgets get slightly smaller while still being able to maintain a high level of quality.

Warner Bros biggest problem is that it's dealing with big IPs like DC and even Space Jam 2 is comes with its own expectations. Bigger expectations come with bigger budgets. Bigger budgets come with accountants and committees getting involved. Accountants and committees always result in a watered down product.

It's sad but it is what it is.
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Which is cool...i just dont want fans or WB to be upset when people call them out

I understand their thinking, I disagree with it and think its very short term thinking but if they want to make third rate films that double what they cost to make and thats it...enjoy.
 
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I am slightly taken by surprise that Don Cheadle is who they got to play the antagonist. I guess kids may recognize him from Marvel, but casting wise, I would’ve gone with someone more along the lines of a Kevin Hart or Donald Glover in this role.
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Side note: I'd love to see Kevin Hart take on a comic book villain role...I feel like he would absolutely nail it

I'm excited for Borderlands and what he'll do with that
 
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Are people really that upset that a sequel to Space Jam starring Lebron James isn’t a pinnacle of cinematic art and integrity?
 
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Are people really that upset that a sequel to Space Jam starring Lebron James isn’t a pinnacle of cinematic art and integrity?
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No one was expecting this movie to be a Marty Scorsese film.

It’s just disappointing to see that they are taking the same approach with this that they took with SCOOB! that they took with The Lego Movies. It seems that all they know how to do is make animated movies where they force synergy.
 
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How is there not even a single reference to the first movie or to Michael? I know the movie isn't out yet, but if that was in the movie, I feel like that's the type of thing that they'd put in the trailer.
 
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How is there not even a single reference to the first movie or to Michael? I know the movie isn't out yet, but if that was in the movie, I feel like that's the type of thing that they'd put in the trailer.
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An even bigger crime is canceling Pepe Le Pew.
 
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An even bigger crime is canceling Pepe Le Pew.
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IDK, I'm pretty sure Pepe's shtick wouldn't be seen as funny by today's audience. Persistent unwanted sexual advances complete with forced kissing and touching just isn't as funny as it used to be.
 
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