belloq87
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I don't think the purported tastes of the "GP" should have any bearing on our personal likes/dislikes in any situation.
No, but it helps you when understanding why Disney is making the moves they are making. IP based thrill/motion based rides are what the majority of guests want. Most of Epcot bores the average guest, especially before Ratatouille in WS. I like Rat, but consider the motion to be light, however I actually know a few who feel sick after it. Also, as I have said, UoE had barely any ridership by the end of its tenure.I don't think the purported tastes of the "GP" should have any bearing on our personal likes/dislikes in any situation.
I don't think the purported tastes of the "GP" should have any bearing on our personal likes/dislikes in any situation.
No, but you it helps when understanding why Disney is making the moves they are making. IP based thrill/motion based rides are what the majority of guests want. Most of Epcot bores the average guest, especially before Ratatouille in WS. I like Rat, but consider the motion to be light, however I actually know a few who feel sick after it. Also, as I have said, UoE had barely any ridership by the end of its tenure.
I'm convinced that most classic dark rides (HM, PotC, etc.) would be poorly received by the GP if built today without already having been burned into pop culture. And I do think you can blame Wizarding World for that.
If long ride times is why people love classic EPCOT and/or feel like it was great feel like it was great (on top of "edutainment"), then that's just sad imo. Those ride times were far too long in general, never mind for 2022.It's not just better rides from 40 years ago. They were also higher capacity and longer. When EPCOT opened ride time alone for UoE, Horizons, WoM was one hour and 15 minutes. And each ride moved about 2500 and hour. Now total ride time is 12 minutes, It's one of the reasons people feel there' "nothing to do"
No, but it helps you when understanding why Disney is making the moves they are making. IP based thrill/motion based rides are what the majority of guests want. Most of Epcot bores the average guest, especially before Ratatouille in WS. I like Rat, but consider the motion to be light, however I actually know a few who feel sick after it. Also, as I have said, UoE had barely any ridership by the end of its tenure.
Can still do that and probably inhale asbestos all the same on SSE, Awesome Planet, or The American AdventureWas good for an air conditioned nap
Too long? Better skip Disneyland then. Pirates clocks in at 16 minutes there and people stand in line for it. The problem isn't the number of attractions ... its shortness. The park wasn't designed for 5 minute rides.If classic EPCOT is the only reason people feel like it was great, then that's just sad imo. Those ride times were far too long in general, never mind for 2022.
And I don't feel like there's nothing to do. Epcot actually has the most to do by far out of the non-MK parks. One more ride in World Showcase certainly couldn't hurt, but the Future World half of the park is perfectly fine if they would actually get SSE a refurb, the Wonders Pavilion back as part of daytime operation, and a revamp of the Imagination Pavilion.
Do you honestly within your heart of hearts believe that SSE or Living with the Land have a higher GSAT than Frozen, Ratatouille, Soarin, Test Track, or what GotG is likely to have (especially with it being the first coaster in the park)? I like SSE and Living with the Land quite a bit, but I just doubt they can compete with IP driven rides, more intense rides, or something like Soarin which is fun for virtually all ages.Too long? Better skip Disneyland then. Pirates clocks in at 16 minutes there and people stand in line for it. The problem isn't the number of attractions ... its shortness. The park wasn't designed for 5 minute rides.
Lets see what rides are longer than 5 minutes: Haunted Mansion, Small World, Jungle Cruise, Riverboat, Pirates, Splash Mountain, PeopleMover, Imagination, Living with the Land, Spaceship Earth, Voyage of the Little Mermaid, RoTR, Safari
This doesn't include shows. Seems like there are quite a few popular rides.... most of which are either clones from Disneyland or untouched original EPCOT attractions.
Do you honestly within your heart of hearts believe that SSE or Living with the Land have a higher GSAT than Frozen, Ratatouille, Soarin, Test Track, or what GotG is likely to have (especially with it being the first coaster in the park)? I like SSE and Living with the Land quite a bit, but I just doubt they can compete with IP driven rides, more intense rides, or something like Soarin which is fun for virtually all ages.
When Disney announced they were getting rid of UoE and GMR, they did it in part because part are hard to find, but also because BOTH RIDES were reported to have extremely low GSATs at the time of closure and the years leading up. There was actually a GotG ride proposed to replace GMR a few years before MMRR was announced.
And honestly, I really believe about 6 minutes is about the max amount of time a ride should last unless you something great to offer me and it's not just a waste of my time like UoE was. Your position seems to be "Longer = better" which just isn't true. A good ride engages the guests in some sort of stimulating way or by pulling off something that leaves them with a true "wow!" moment.
Pirates at DL I certainly enjoy more than MK's, but only because MK's is so mediocre. Tbh, I almost wish MK's pirates would just get replaced by Battle for the Sunken Treasure and to combat your point about ride times, both MK's Pirates and Shanghai's are around 8.5 minutes. Shanghai just has action baked in with the ride.
Back on track to GotG...
I'm gonna go with the high-tech coaster, personallyDo you honestly within your heart of hearts believe that SSE or Living with the Land have a higher GSAT than Frozen, Ratatouille, Soarin, Test Track, or what GotG is likely to have (especially with it being the first coaster in the park)? I like SSE and Living with the Land quite a bit, but I just doubt they can compete with IP driven rides, more intense rides, or something like Soarin which is fun for virtually all ages.
As will I.I'm gonna go with the high-tech coaster, personally
It feels like Disney could tear down Cinderella Castle and they'd receive way less criticism than doing something as daring as building a ride based on an IP in EPCOT or something like that.
Re: Eisner.This is also a group of people who screamed and cried about Disney "defacing" a barely 30 year old ride installed by no less than the reviled Michael Eisner. If you think that destroying the quintessential symbol of Walt's Original Vision™ wouldn't lead to martial law, I'm not sure you've been reading the Walt Disney World News Today comment section enough. ;D
That gives me an idea for a reality show where Disney takes panels ofAPsMagic Key holders and pitches them fake concept art and press releases of terrible ideas to record their reaction.
Disclosure: I actually have always liked Eisner and don't really understand the hate he gets. I find it laughable now that all the people who once hated him are nostalgic for his tenure. How the turn tables.
The beginning of his tenure was great, but he lost a step along the way. Eisner actually let Epcot sink into the terrible condition it was in all throughout the 90's and his tenure in the early 00's. After Norway and Wonders were added, it was like they gave up on Epcot.
It feels like Disney could tear down Cinderella Castle and they'd receive way less criticism than doing something as daring as building a ride based on an IP in EPCOT or something like that.