After SWL (or during), Toontown is getting the boot for Arrendelle.
Which doesn't increase capacity as it will take up an existing area already in use for patrons. SWL is taking over backstage area and the bbq.
After SWL (or during), Toontown is getting the boot for Arrendelle.
It likely will theoretically increase capacity as a main ride will likely have greater capacity than Car Toon Spin and if there is any more than one major ride, capacity is DEFINITELY increasing.Which doesn't increase capacity as it will take up an existing area already in use for patrons. SWL is taking over backstage area and the bbq.
It likely will theoretically increase capacity as a main ride will likely have greater capacity than Car Toon Spin and if there is any more than one major ride, capacity is DEFINITELY increasing.
I can't speak for others, i'm speaking for myself and only myself.I honesty don't understand the arguments going on around here. First the argument is there should be new rides every year because it's lazy if you don't. Then it's rides are needed to increase capacity. Then we have those saying eventually business will go down because they aren't doing enough. Now we're talking about two new major land additions to Disneyland on top of the 1.5 billion expansion in the other park.
What's going on around here?
I agree, there's no reason for such a stall in new attractions at DCA. Sure DCA underwent a huge re-do, but it still has work to be done and capacity to be added.My point is capacity. You need to keep increasing DCA's capacity to maintain an already healthy park added on with a huge monster land that will attract more tourists than DLR's usual heavy local market. They can do this by adding more rides or screwing over loyal APs like USH is doing with Potter right now.
Disney has more than enough money to pour into DCA's expansion pads especially considering CL had a restaurant cut on that very pad and they also have the theme park rights to MARVEL over there. DCA is just now barely a full-day park. It's miles better, but it could stand to be built out more to accompany the SWL insanity.
(That said, I am pro-SWL in DL, just FYI)
$1.5B is a drop in the bucket to TWDC and since that was spread out over 5 years, it cost them far less than it even looks on the surface. We're talking a singular ride or a miniland here, something like Marvel. That should - AT MOST - cost $500M and it would be a merchandising gold mine with the right products and themed areas.And my point is this: you try justifying to your board that on top of a 1.5 billion dollar expansion and a promise to pour in another 1-2 billion in expansion (in order to maintain tax breaks) that they should pour in ANOTHER expansion to increase "capacity." They'd laugh you off the face of the earth. Look at the problems Shanghai is having right now and tell me a board is just going to start signing even more checks on top of what they have scheduled.
We're not talking about overall guest experience with these people. It's dollars and cents. Which is why we have Escape to Effin' Arendelle in the first place.
DCA isn't getting anything because they simply don't see the need - people keep coming. Looks/sounds good in the short term, but it can cause lots of long term damage.
This is true, BUT - and this is very important - Disneyland was already very built up and packed in heavy by that time. DCA isn't built up nearly to the level in which DL was in '95. DCA will do fine if they get an expansion in there shortly after Star Wars, but if they wait too long, I don't think it is a park that is built to weather a long storm yet.Although I disagree about the "long term damage." Disneyland is the #3 park in the world and hasn't added an E ticket in over 20 years. How long does long-term damage take to set in?
Disneyland is over 60 freaking years old! And trust me, it has problems (take a look at that Tomorrowland), but easily among the healthiest Disney parks in the franchise in terms of capacity. DCA still isn't.
Star Wars Land is something MAJOR. The fact that they aren't investing to at least throw DCA something in terms of additional capacity is weird. In fact, they were supposed to have a small Marvel land with an E-ticket opened by 2020 solely due to SWL, but it's been delayed becuase Shanghai and stuff. Yet I don't think Parks and Resorts should see funding cut (especially when they're doing so boffo business) because Iger made a couple bad decisions. You still build up the others to make sure you don't run into more problems down the road, period.
Have we not learned this from the 90s post-DLP? Seriously?
Edit: also a nighttime parade can't work at DCA due to WoC without significant changes. That's why they've leaned so heavily on the dance parties (also: booze sales)
2nd edit: also can we stop acting like the DCA expansion just happened? It's currently been three-and-a-half years since it opened and nearly a decade since the money was put forward to implement it. (2007) Seriously.
One of the main reasons Universal opened Transformers the previous year and redid Springfield was to increase capacity for the anticipated Diagon Alley crowds. That was straight from a Universal exec.
This. Disneyland-ers like to talk about how they have the superior product (and for the most part, as of now, that's true in the states), but look at where the spending is going. DLR is getting very minimal amounts because they feel people will come no matter what. WDW, which btw is the biggest tourist area in the WORLD, is seeing massive spending. Between Frozen, DAK improvements, ROL, Avatar, Disney Springs and DHS overhaul, there's multiple billions being spent. And these are all ONGOING projects.2nd edit: also can we stop acting like the DCA expansion just happened? It's currently been three-and-a-half years since it opened and nearly a decade since the money was put forward to implement it. (2007) Seriously.
#1 opened a new ride in 2014. That's pretty recent compared to 1995.I really don't get the argument. "We have to add capacity for the land that we're adding to increase capacity (and sales)." Did Universal open a major attraction in IoA to help with Diagon? Nope.
Of course DCA isn't as "healthy" Disneyland. It's Disneyland. But a 30% jump in attendance and sitting ahead of both IoA and USF in terms of visitors (post-Potter) means that the sky is falling? This is what Disney does. They languish and they take forever and they bore us. Because they can. Look at the top ten parks of the world. When's the last time #1 and #3 opened a new attraction? Sure it's the suckers making that happen. I'm a sucker because I pay every year for an AP. There's just more to do there then there is at USH. Even after Potter opens.
#1 opened a new ride in 2014. That's pretty recent compared to 1995.
SDMT is a major E ticket? Come on we're just looking for excuses.
Izzy is right. They ride the wave of spend for awhile and reap the rewards.
And the arguments grow ever weirder. DLR is seeing no spend... save for the DCA redo. And SWL. And Arendelle. Except for all that.
I'm not a "Disneyland-er." I love Disneyland, yes. But I'll be dropping $4500 this year on two vacations to UOR. I'd love to see new rides in DLR. But I know how businesses work. You don't drastically try to beef it up all at once when you're already #3 in the world. They overhauled DCA in a huge way. I understand why they want to leave it be, business wise, for awhile.
Everybody's talkin' bout' capacity and DCA, but to be brutally honest something that should be the biggest concern with SWL looming ahead is traffic flow. To be blunt, traffic flow in DL is god friggin' awful. An' unless something is done with that, when SWL opens we're gonna' have a new standard for absolute clusterf**k. Traffic flow has to be improved by any means nessicary in DL, but it feels like a higher up or two just wants the park stuck in the past...a dated past that just wasn't made to handle today's crowds.